George Floyd murder | Clashes between US police and protestors

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

That can't be a real quote, even for her, surely?

 

[urban genie]

Elizabeth and Mary both carried out religious genocides.

Is there many statues of them about though?

 

[Ban-jani]

Elizabeth and Mary both carried out religious genocides. Those were pretty bad.

They weren’t only known for that.

Colston became famous as a tyrannical slave trader.

 

[domalino]

They weren’t only known for that.

Colston became famous as a tyrannical slave trader.

He became famous for donating his fortune to the city, hence why the Victorians built him a statue long after he died.

 

[bluejon]

i find that very frustrating about Americans....especially the "oh im Irish" thing...no you're not, you're American...your parents/grand parents/great grandparents/great great grandparents were Irish. Their lack of history seems to implore them to latch on to any identity they can....

i had a conversation with an 'irish-american' friend recently who it turned out didn't realise there was an issue between protestants and catholics. she was under the impression both groups consider themselves irish and want the british out. my facepalm nearly knocked me out

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Are we going to remove every statue, street sign, building associated with the slave trade era?

suppose most of Liverpool, Glasgow and a large number of Manchester buildings are going then??

Let’s just delete our history.

Or learn from it and improve what needs improving.

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

Legally Blonde lol

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Well do you have specifics?

The bloke that ended up in the river earned his fortune from slavery and whilst there’s a statue because he then used that money for some good, he’s only famous because of slavery.

A king that does bad is famous because he’s a king.

That Henry VIII was a bit of a scallywag, wasn’t he.

 

[urban genie]

Ancient statues from medieval times and scuptures should not be destroyed but let's think that Colston statue was made in the 1890s long after he died and was never necessary to be put up in the first place.

It is like the cunnard building in Liverpool was constructed in 1914, so why the fuck would you carve a fucking slave ship into the facia?

That should be sanded down or resculptured as there was no need in the first place

 

[AlexWilliamsGloves]

i had a conversation with an 'irish-american' friend recently who it turned out didn't realise there was an issue between protestants and catholics. she was under the impression both groups consider themselves irish and want the british out. my facepalm nearly knocked me out

or its some "Chad" using it to try and show how much drinks and likes to fight...

 

[Ban-jani]

He became famous for donating his fortune to the city, hence why the Victorians built him a statue long after he died.

But he got to there as a slave trader, he wouldn’t have been a powerful person without it.

 

[Ban-jani]

That Henry VIII was a bit of a scallywag, wasn’t he.

I hear he was a bit unforgiving.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Slavery was abolished in the UK in 1833 so we can only discuss those prior to that.

Again, people involved in slavery at the time. when it was a social norm, may have done greater things outside of the trade, like the founding fathers of the US but Colston was only famous due to money he earned as a slave trader and a notoriously brutal one at that.

Get your point and I don’t necessarily disagree with it, but why differentiate between before and after 1833.
The effects of prior events don’t just suddenly stop. There are always multiple moving parts at play in any monumental decisions in history.

Also, History is looked at differently depending on where you are looking at it from.

Colonialism/Imperialism is quite a different experience depending on whether your colonising or being colonised.

We over here have a rather different take on Oliver Cromwell and are taught extensively about his part in Irish history, which quite frankly doesn’t flatter the guy.
But that’s barely a paragraph in how he’s thought in English schools.

Anyway must resist.
Back to George Floyd anyone.

 

[urban genie]

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We over here have a rather different take on Oliver Cromwell over here and are thought extensively about his part in Irish history, which quite frankly doesn’t flatter the guy.
But that’s barely a paragraph in how he’s thought in English schools.

Trust me plenty over here think Cromwell was a ****

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

or its some "Chad" using it to try and show how much drinks and likes to fight...

And cheer on the ‘Cause’ singing rebel songs putting a few dollars in the collection box, from 3000 miles away, not caring where the money is going.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Trust me plenty over here think Cromwell was a ****

Fair enough.
You get the point though?

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Is there many statues of them about though?

I don’t know the answer to that but I do know that Queen Anne is dead.

 

[Ban-jani]

Get your point and I don’t necessarily disagree with it, but why differentiate between before and after 1833.
The effects of prior events don’t just suddenly stop. There are always multiple moving parts at play in any monumental decisions in history.

Also, History is looked at differently depending on where you are looking at it from.

Colonialism/Imperialism is quite a different experience depending on whether your colonising or being colonised.

We over here have a rather different take on Oliver Cromwell over here and are thought extensively about his part in Irish history, which quite frankly doesn’t flatter the guy.
But that’s barely a paragraph in how he’s thought in English schools.

Anyway must resist.
Back to George Floyd anyone.

We’re talking about why Colston and not monarchs who have done wrong.

My argument is Colston only got where he was due to being a brutal slave trader, nothing more or less.

 

[Chippy_boy]

The word “ostracised” was used in reply to a post where he was discussing racists being ostracised on to an island.

Of course we don’t have segregated schools or universities. I actually think the UK is a whole lot better than many countries on this issue, but there is definitely room for improvement.

When Raheem Sterling posted the example of how Tosin and Phil Foden were reported on differently, do you think he imagined it?

When Andre Gray says he’s been pulled over by the police dozens of times, do you think he imagined it? Do you think Jamie Vardy gets pulled over as much?

When the Prime Minister uses phrases like “piccaninnies”, “letterboxes” and “watermelon smiles”, did we all just imagine it?

Should the people affected just accept being demeaned and dehumanised by the PM? Do they have “a chip on their shoulder” if they don’t?

The oppression that non-white people face in the UK is not segregated schools or universities etc. It’s dealing with preconceptions and being judged differently based not on how they behave, but how they look.

Just because you might not see it in your day to day life, it doesn’t mean that it doesn’t go on.

I didn't say it didn't go on. In fact I said the opposite.

What I said was it is not as big a deal as people like to make out. In certain circles perhaps it is, but generally not. Looking at the rioting cunts over the weekend you would think we still had slavery.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

We’re talking about why Colston and not monarchs who have done wrong.

My argument is Colston only got where he was due to being a brutal slave trader, nothing more or less.

As I said Ban-jani, I would not necessarily disagree with your substantive point.