#9 | Gabriel Jesus - 2019/20 Performances

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BJL_City said:
well Firmino's cut from the same cloth. Jesus has had a lot more chances comparatively than Mane for those chances, in fact before this weekend out of the top 20 goalscorers in the league Jesus was 3rd or 4th for number of chances despite his minutes, another 7 will only add to that. 1 goal, despite an otherwise really positive performance, sums up the problem with him. It should have been 4-0 at half-time given the chances and he should have been coming off with a hat-trick given the chances. 22 shots since the lockdown, 6 on target and 2 goals. At some point that has to start improving no matter what else he brings to the team.
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Having a lot of chances is partly due to the team but partly also to his movement.

Think you are being harsh on Jesus. But that's your opinion and I respect that.
 
alexmcity said:
Having a lot of chances is partly due to the team but partly also to his movement.

Think you are being harsh on Jesus. But that's your opinion and I respect that.
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well, yeah like I said really positive performance but if you create those chances then it's down to him, and him alone, to take them, it's a key part of his role despite his attributes and it's deeply frustrating that he doesn't take them.
 
BJL_City said:
how the fuck would I know? He's been here 3.5 years, only he can answer that.
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I mean, ok. Judging from what you've seen from him over the 3.5 years and how the rest of his game has/hasn't developed, would you believe he's going to improve his finishing? You've been really detailed in most of your opinions on Jesus but I don't think you've covered this, I'm just curious whether you think he's got it in him in your opinion.
 
mccity said:
Do you think he will improve then?
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Tbf Jesus will never be a great finisher, it's a skill that players have from a young age. Haaland, Mbappe even seemingly Greenwood all possess natural finishing instincts. We have to accept what we have with Jesus in that his overall play can be fantastic but he won't be someone we can rely on to get us goals in tight games.
 
itisrising said:
Tbf Jesus will never be a great finisher, it's a skill that players have from a young age. Haaland, Mbappe even seemingly Greenwood all possess natural finishing instincts. We have to accept what we have with Jesus in that his overall play can be fantastic but he won't be someone we can rely on to get us goals in tight games.
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Fair enough, thanks for answering. I reckon he's on a similar trajectory to Sterling, in that he'll add a greater variety of things to his game over the years that'll cover any weakness up.

My hope with his finishing ability personally is that his movement is so strong that he'll improve his chances by numbers as opposed to strict ability. But then again the more he starts the more different kinds of goal we might see.
 
Uncle Wally One Ball said:
So what. One is Gabriel Jesus of City and Brazil and the other is Danny Fucking Ings
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Got a giggle out of me! Haha!
Jesus can obviously improve in areas, there’s no doubting that. He’s not clinical enough right now but I’m 100% certain that over the next couple of seasons that will change.
He’s a very good, rounded player who fits our team and style
My guess is he’s appreciated far more by those who matter than he is by a few on here,
I understand some of the points made and can understand some of the frustration with him, but he’s no dud.
He can write himself into our history if he stays with us long enough.
 
mccity said:
Fair enough, thanks for answering. I reckon he's on a similar trajectory to Sterling, in that he'll add a greater variety of things to his game over the years that'll cover any weakness up.

My hope with his finishing ability personally is that his movement is so strong that he'll improve his chances by numbers as opposed to strict ability. But then again the more he starts the more different kinds of goal we might see.
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The issue is his weakness is so fundamental to the traditional striker. I worry about him as a Champions League regular striker; we're not going to be able to carve out 30 shots a game at the highest level of that competition and I don't see Jesus as someone who can make the most of limited service. He's obviously a very talented player but we'd have to adapt our system similar to Liverpool's in that we accept a striker playing quite deep.
 
BJL_City said:
Ings plays for fucking Southampton. It's astonishing he should even be close. You can bump it up with cup stats all you want, it's 12 goals and 5 assists in the big league.
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It's 12 and 7 on the PL website, but you quoted the goals for all comps - so no need for the snark ;)

Ings is having a ridiculous season by his standards, but his goals+assists per 90 mins, is still well below Jesus. The MEN pointed out before this game that we score more goals when he's in the side, compared with Aguero, and that doesn't surprise me.
 
mccity said:
I mean, ok. Judging from what you've seen from him over the 3.5 years and how the rest of his game has/hasn't developed, would you believe he's going to improve his finishing? You've been really detailed in most of your opinions on Jesus but I don't think you've covered this, I'm just curious whether you think he's got it in him in your opinion.
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Well, put it this way, his shots on target conversion rate in the league since he joined has been:
16/17 - 7/13 = 53.8%
17/18 - 13/33 = 39.4%
18/19 - 7/25 = 28%
19/20 - 12/42 = 28.5% (after tonight)

I would say he's proven he can be around 40%, which isn't top level but it's decent/quite good, and with that he'd be pushing 20 league goals a season given the increased number of chances he's getting. So he's proven he can play at that level, whether he gets back to it I can't say. Does he have the 53% from when he joined or the 57% of Aguero in him? No, I don't think so, there'd have to be a fundamental change in mentality and finishing technique to get back up to there, but if he did he'd comfortably be the best striker in the world given his attributes.

It's in his head, he's shown he can reach a decent level before and there's another 10 league goals per season I'd say in his locker if he stepped his finishing up. It doesn't have to detract from all the other good stuff he does, it's purely down to when those chances present himself, but unfortunately he's been off the pace in that regard for 2 seasons which is more than a blip.
 
bluenova said:
It's 12 and 7 on the PL website, but you quoted the goals for all comps - so no need for the snark ;)

Ings is having a ridiculous season by his standards, but his goals+assists per 90 mins, is still well below Jesus. The MEN pointed out before this game that we score more goals when he's in the side, compared with Aguero, and that doesn't surprise me.
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7 then, whoop-de-fucking-doo.
 
BJL_City said:
Well, put it this way, his shots on target conversion rate in the league since he joined has been:
16/17 - 7/13 = 53.8%
17/18 - 13/33 = 39.4%
18/19 - 7/25 = 28%
19/20 - 12/42 = 28.5% (after tonight)

I would say he's proven he can be around 40%, which isn't top level but it's decent/quite good, and with that he'd be pushing 20 league goals a season given the increased number of chances he's getting. So he's proven he can play at that level, whether he gets back to it I can't say. Does he have the 53% from when he joined or the 57% of Aguero in him? No, I don't think so, there'd have to be a fundamental change in mentality and finishing technique to get back up to there, but if he did he'd comfortably be the best striker in the world given his attributes.

It's in his head, he's shown he can reach a decent level before and there's another 10 league goals per season I'd say in his locker if he stepped his finishing up. It doesn't have to detract from all the other good stuff he does, it's purely down to when those chances present himself, but unfortunately he's been off the pace in that regard for 2 seasons which is more than a blip.
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Thanks for the response :)
 
Firmino hasn't scored at Anfield all season yet you'll not see a Liverpool fan say a bad word about him because they see and appreciate all the other things he brings to their team. Gabby brings all those same qualities to our team and scores more goals yet about 75% of our fans are constantly running the lads name into the ground. Have a word with yourselves ffs.
 
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