George Floyd murder / Derek Chauvin guilty of murder

Dax777 said:
Oh my bad. I didn't realize you were simply rehashing history. I suppose we have different agendas and purposes here. Mine is to attempt to profer possible solutions that may reduce the present day possibility of frictions and possible harm. Based on facts and common sense. Yours is to regale us with historical context, regardless of if it has any present day value.

I'm happy we cleared that up.
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Today's events are determined by what has happened in the past and there is exactly zero chance of present day frictions being sorted out without the context that history gives. You need to understand, half the deep south is still pissed off they lost the civil war. There's too many people who think what is happening there is just a really bad version of the racism we see in this country. It isn't. It's something completely different.
 
A good enough place as any to post this. It’s from 1992. It could have been recorded this morning

 
Bigga said:
Oh and here's your 'compliance' @Dax777...

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My dad was in New York in the 50s, walked up to a copper and asked him the time. Next thing is he's got a gun in his face. Said it was the scariest thing that's ever happened to him. US police are not the same as ours here. Not for a second saying ours are perfect etc, but the mentality is completely different. No question in my mind part of that is they are trying to police a heavily armed civilian population, but the whole concept of a local bobby is alien over there.
 
bluejon said:
My dad was in New York in the 50s, walked up to a copper and asked him the time. Next thing is he's got a gun in his face. Said it was the scariest thing that's ever happened to him. US police are not the same as ours here. Not for a second saying ours are perfect etc, but the mentality is completely different. No question in my mind part of that is they are trying to police a heavily armed civilian population, but the whole concept of a local bobby is alien over there.
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Yeah, it's beyond bizarre how counterproductive it is to have the freedom to own guns and as many as you want (legally) and then try to police that aspect of gun ownership in the hands of people that can lose their shit any minute.

It just takes the right spark and the whole thing's a shit show.

"The right to bear arms" overrides every common sense in the US.

It's nuts and yes, I do prefer our police even if they aren't perfect.
 
Bigga said:
Yeah, it's beyond bizarre how counterproductive it is to have the freedom to own guns and as many as you want (legally) and then try to police that aspect of gun ownership in the hands of people that can lose their shit any minute.

It just takes the right spark and the whole thing's a shit show.

"The right to bear arms" overrides every common sense in the US.

It's nuts and yes, I do prefer our police even if they aren't perfect.
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Thing is though, dig not even that deep, and it's the right for white people to bear arms. Black people don't deserve that right as they're clearly not to be trusted with them. But white people, they're patriots, that's what the constitution actually meant.

(and just to be clear, the above is parodying the type of people i'm talking about here, southern racists. i knew some ridiculously sound white people there who helped me understand just what massive thunderfucks these racist arseholes actually were)
 
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Bigga said:
Oh and here's your 'compliance' @Dax777...

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Few points!

1. She complied.
2. Then she called her superior officer
3. Then she and her superior officer went and investigated these guys.

Hmmmm! Sounds exactly like what I've been preaching.

On the other hand, because she was a federal officer, she gave the White Cop who stopped her some lip. Even though she keeps saying how can you know I have an attitude I'd you don't know me.

I don't understand whether she forgot, but even she said it in the beginning that she wasn't going to stand for being disrespected.

I could hear the attitude in her voice even in a video describing the event. Surely, the cop was an asshole as she said and gave her a ticket. But it's not beyond the realms of imagination that she was giving him lip. Even the "You either giving me a ticket or not." Is obviously lip. In the end, a good outcome.

But letsSolet's recap: A stop occurred. Citizen complied. Citizen felt mistreated. Citizen investigated mistreatment. Now, if the officer doesn't have his Bodycam on... Well, that's on him.

But again, another example of a successful (even if unpleasant) interaction.
 
Bigga said:
Oh and before I go, here's your 'compliance' @Dax777...

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I am finding it harder to understand these context free anecdotal videos you keep posting.

I see 3 people who are handcuffed. Why they are handcuffed I don't know. I'm going to guess it has something to do with being related to the woman that was taken into the police wagon at the very beginning. But the most we can say is we don't know.

2nd, I see officers watching them and asking if they'd like to be sat up. I see a 3rd uncuffed woman being asked if she could be patted down to make sure there are no weapons. She agrees and gets patted down and all got sat up. At no point were "Officer's holding famiky up at gunpoint" as the caption claims.

3. This is precisely how the police should act. One, secure the scene. I.e. making sure it safe for the police and anyone around. Two, apprehend the suspect, which was what was happening as the video started (a lady was being separated and taken into custody.) Three, tend to the needs of the people around. Asking the family if they wanted to be sat up.

So I ask, what was the point of posting this video. I truly don't understand?
 
idahoblues said:
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I ain't mad at this guy. He's got a right to his opinion and he's in the Terry Crews camp. That's all good for him.

But to say that's there's no systemic racism within a system that was designed to hold power and control within a certain section of society is wrong.

Yes, society has come a long way, but this is at the bottom where differences that were once far apart have now become more and more mutual. It's from this position that change has happened and we're beginning to see the ripple effect in world society, which we saw the first real attempts of change 4 years ago.

He can say what he wants, but I hope he gets invited to a debate to see how strong his position is.
 
Dax777 said:
Few points!

1. She complied.
2. Then she called her superior officer
3. Then she and her superior officer went and investigated these guys.

Hmmmm! Sounds exactly like what I've been preaching.

On the other hand, because she was a federal officer, she gave the White Cop who stopped her some lip. Even though she keeps saying how can you know I have an attitude I'd you don't know me.

I don't understand whether she forgot, but even she said it in the beginning that she wasn't going to stand for being disrespected.

I could hear the attitude in her voice even in a video describing the event. Surely, the cop was an asshole as she said and gave her a ticket. But it's not beyond the realms of imagination that she was giving him lip. Even the "You either giving me a ticket or not." Is obviously lip. In the end, a good outcome.

But letsSolet's recap: A stop occurred. Citizen complied. Citizen felt mistreated. Citizen investigated mistreatment. Now, if the officer doesn't have his Bodycam on... Well, that's on him.

But again, another example of a successful (even if unpleasant) interaction.
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I'm going to use your 'recap' as a baseline response as you don't seem to understand what she's saying.

1) "A stop occurred" (again)

2) "Citizen complied" (again)

3) "Citizen felt mistreated" (as a result of the continued stopping and harassment as well as having a federal job)

She was in the right to question the stop. She was well within her rights to ask for ticket or let her go if there was no real reason for the stop. That's not "lip" even if YOU yourself will kowtow on bended knee. She, like the other Black cop in a similar situation in earlier pages, cited that if she was in civilian clothing she felt that could have gone sideways.

This is real fear Black people are exhibiting from being stopped by police. When I know gov paid people of colour are expressing such views, I tend to believe their truth and the truth of others that tell them.
 
Dax777 said:
I am finding it harder to understand these context free anecdotal videos you keep posting.

I see 3 people who are handcuffed. Why they are handcuffed I don't know. I'm going to guess it has something to do with being related to the woman that was taken into the police wagon at the very beginning. But the most we can say is we don't know.

2nd, I see officers watching them and asking if they'd like to be sat up. I see a 3rd uncuffed woman being asked if she could be patted down to make sure there are no weapons. She agrees and gets patted down and all got sat up. At no point were "Officer's holding famiky up at gunpoint" as the caption claims.

3. This is precisely how the police should act. One, secure the scene. I.e. making sure it safe for the police and anyone around. Two, apprehend the suspect, which was what was happening as the video started (a lady was being separated and taken into custody.) Three, tend to the needs of the people around. Asking the family if they wanted to be sat up.

So I ask, what was the point of posting this video. I truly don't understand?
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Oh you don't know about this one?

Officers stopped a vehicle and apprehended the family based on licence plate error; they were looking for a car that was stolen from out of state. At what point do police use their brains outside of 'following procedure'? This is a family with 2 women and 2 kids laying face down in the concrete. I would assume this is done where there's a threat?

Anyway, I've literally just found this response as i was typing...


At least the dept know when their own cops are being tools, unlike yourself and those that 'like' your response.
 
Bigga said:
Oh you don't know about this one?

Officers stopped a vehicle and apprehended the family based on licence plate error; they were looking for a car that was stolen from out of state. At what point do police use their brains outside of 'following procedure'? This is a family with 2 women and 2 kids laying face down in the concrete. I would assume this is done where there's a threat?

Anyway, I've literally just found this response as i was typing...


At least the dept know when their own cops are being tools, unlike yourself and those that 'like' your response.
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I 'liked' his response because I thought his point about people posting 'evidence' without context was sound. I'm also liking your post as you have now provided that context. Cheers.
 
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