I caught a bit of Michael Moore's excellent 'Bowling for Columbine' the other night and he made a very interesdting point regarding the demonisation of black Americans on tv. Reality tv showing black men being chased down by cops night after night and generally instilling fear of this demographic into the population.Thing is though, dig not even that deep, and it's the right for white people to bear arms. Black people don't deserve that right as they're clearly not to be trusted with them. But white people, they're patriots, that's what the constitution actually meant.
(and just to be clear, the above is parodying the type of people i'm talking about here, southern racists. i knew some ridiculously sound white people there who helped me understand just what massive thunderfucks these racist arseholes actually were)
This, 100%. It's something we noticed living over there, my dad had to stop watching the news because of it. It was constant: essentially BLACK MEN WANT TO KILL AND/OR RAPE WHITE PEOPLE over and over again on the news channels. It's something that isn't looked into enough, why do so many white people in the US, especially the deep south (although there is an argument it's just as bad in the North, they're just not as honest about their racism) fear black people so much? What you wrote is a major part of it.I caught a bit of Michael Moore's excellent 'Bowling for Columbine' the other night and he made a very interesdting point regarding the demonisation of black Americans on tv. Reality tv showing black men being chased down by cops night after night and generally instilling fear of this demographic into the population.
He pointed out that white suburban crime was much more of a problem than 'inner city ghetto' crime yet it gets a miniscule amount of airtime.
Based on the initial video it seemed that 2nd degree was plausible but 3rd degree murder was an overcharge even back then. Having read the transcript and seen the leaked bodycam footage it seems without question that they have overcharged Chauvin and the rest of the cops will or should have their cases dismissed
In terms of the non-Chauvin cops and their interactions with Floyd:
- The cops showed a huge amount of patience and even kindness (eg. saying they'd stay with him and roll the windows down for him) leading up to the infamous and tragic video we all saw
- A gun was only drawn for a short time whilst Floyd reached about in his car. Once Floyd stopped the gun was holstered and never came back out.
- Despite claims to the contrary in various places, Floyd was told why he was being detained
- Floyd was clearly off his head on something
- Floyd was resisting throughout, a fact noted by his exGF right from the off
- Floyd's ex GF intermated that he has mental problems (tho it is also likely this was to try and hide their drug use and whilst the cops probably saw through it it is something they will have had to keep in mind)
- His exGF and the other man with Floyd (both black) were not manhandled or even had a gun pulled on them because they complied (kept their hands in view and getting out of the car without resisting)
- Floyd said many times that he couldn't breathe long before he was on the ground.
- The cops put him on the ground in response to Floyd's request to be put on the ground
- Despite the reasons to dismiss Floyd's pleas they still called for a medic and at least one of them verbalised their concern regarding Excited Delirium
These are not the actions of heartless racist thugs out to hurt anyone or help someone commit a murder.Whilst there is partial overlap in the bodycam footage due to him arriving later, Chauvin is a more complicated case but unless the state has an as yet unknown silver bullet he is not going down for murder. We're talking more about negligence than murder and with excited delirium being a possible reason for Floyd's death (with or without the knee) there is a sizable amount of reasonable doubt there.Whether Chauvin is found not guilty or guilty on a lesser charge the biggest problem the US (and for some weirdly forced reason the UK) faces is the backlash. This is because the media and various social media outlets (eg. The Young Turks) have so incredibly failed to inform their viewers (and in some cases intentionally misinform) that they will feel utterly blindsided by anything other than everyone involved being sent away for life. The riots will make the last few months look ahem 'largely peaceful'
I could strip many parts of this down, but I'm not sure if I'm too bothered to do so regarding how much of your post is misguided,
so I'll simply ask this:
If you knelt on someone's neck for 8 mins 46 secs AFTER someone expressed they had breathing difficulties, carried on pleading that they were struggling with breathing with the unwanted knee assistance, then that person stopped moving after 6 mins and you stayed there another 2 mins, would you be charged with murder...?
Yea, yea, sure you could...
It's a question of proving a charge. There are multiple reasons to suggest that this will be very difficult.
There's lot of ways to strip it down. I will let others have fun doing it as there are quite obvious things in your post.
As for your second point a crushed trachea indicates great pressure exhibited upon the area, much like when a person strangles another's neck by hand and that victim stops breathing; could you explain to me what the difference is in action if you're well aware that the victim has stopped breathing?
How (conveniently) thoughtful
There was no crushed trachea
Floyd's death has been ruled a homicide.
The autopsy report from Hennepin County Medical Examiner's Office concludes the cause of death was "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression." That conclusion, death due to heart failure, differs from the one reached by an independent examiner hired by the Floyd family; that report listed the cause of death as "asphyxiation from sustained pressure."
This medical examiner's report does not mention asphyxiation. However, according to prosecutors, in charging documents filed last week, early results "revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation."
The medical examiner's report also details blunt-force injuries to the skin of Floyd's head, face and upper lip, as well as the shoulders, hands and elbows and bruising of the wrists consistent with handcuffs.
Since I was going off memory I'ved to check on what I said and it seems there are 3 different opinions, one official and one independent. I'll let you decide on which one's which:
The above underlined was similar to how I heard it the first time, but stating a 'crushed trachea'.
https://www.npr.org/sections/live-u...positive-test-for-coronavirus?t=1597502719833
Just because an official medical report says one thing, you shouldn't take it as gospel.
I'm well aware of the autopsy reports, that's why I knew for a fact that there was no crushed trachea. Better not to rely on rumours or fringe reports
The conclusion regarding asphyxiation from the 'independent'/Floyd family-hired autopsy was not based on anything physical, it was based solely on the video.
On a side note, Covid could have been a contributing factor given the preliminary studies regarding some post-recovery negative effects of Covid
Interesting.
So, you're saying that Chauvin's weighted knee on the neck of a downed man was not a contributing factor towards Floyd's death? Or there was no intent on the harm that led to his death?
I don't how you can spin it in the way you do...
Did he by any chance give numbers?I caught a bit of Michael Moore's excellent 'Bowling for Columbine' the other night and he made a very interesdting point regarding the demonisation of black Americans on tv. Reality tv showing black men being chased down by cops night after night and generally instilling fear of this demographic into the population.
He pointed out that white suburban crime was much more of a problem than 'inner city ghetto' crime yet it gets a miniscule amount of airtime.
For the most part black men mostly kill black people. The Racist Whites actually like this and don't care. Unfortunately, we have a class of new Whites who love black people so much that they'd rather hide these facts and let more black people die.This, 100%. It's something we noticed living over there, my dad had to stop watching the news because of it. It was constant: essentially BLACK MEN WANT TO KILL AND/OR RAPE WHITE PEOPLE over and over again on the news channels. It's something that isn't looked into enough, why do so many white people in the US, especially the deep south (although there is an argument it's just as bad in the North, they're just not as honest about their racism) fear black people so much? What you wrote is a major part of it.
The Chicago police chief...
Oh don't stop now. Please strip it down. If you are currently busy, please come back later and do so.I could strip many parts of this down, but I'm not sure if I'm too bothered to do so regarding how much of your post is misguided, so I'll simply ask this:
I don't disagree. Neither does @Silva_Spell I don't think. But I'll let him speak for himself.If you knelt on someone's neck for 8 mins 46 secs AFTER someone expressed they had breathing difficulties, carried on pleading that they were struggling with breathing with the unwanted knee assistance, then that person stopped moving after 6 mins and you stayed there another 2 mins, would you be charged with murder...?
For the most part black men mostly kill black people. The Racist Whites actually like this and don't care. Unfortunately, we have a class of new Whites who love black people so much that they'd rather hide these facts and let more black people die.
We've been saying for a while that we don't particularly care for this type of white Love.
Read Jason Riley's Stop Helping US.
Oh don't stop now. Please strip it down. If you are currently busy, please come back later and do so.
You've certainly spent enough time on this thread giving us lots of information. Don't short change us now. Your insight on each point would be greatly appreciated.
I don't disagree. Neither does @Silva_Spell I don't think. But I'll let him speak for himself.
But as to the other points, I look forward to your detailed points on his misguided Post.
What utter drivel!
Whilst most Blacks kill Blacks, did you know that most Whites kill Whites, most Hispanics kill Hispanics and Chinese kill Chinese??
Most logical people call this phenomenon... *looks at notes*... "crime".
One learns something new everyday! Who knew...?
I really don't like that terminology.Yes, percentage wise intraracial killings are similar (80%+), obviously because they're who they interact with most (which is also why, if you don't control for interactions, black americans are more likely to be killed by police)
The reason "black on black" gets talked about tho is because of the sheer numbers involved
IIRC, a black american is 55 times more likely to be killed by another black american than a white american is to be killed by another white american.
It's a daily unfolding tragedy with innocent little kids being gunned down over BS but BLM only cares about the <0.1% of black victims (and most of those are actually justified shootings eg. Michael Brown) because BLM is about keeping black people angry, angry enough to help bring down western civilisation