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It's Quiet thread 14 - 'do one' edition
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Do Socios hope that Messi extends his contract after a new board is elected?
Personally I reckon there's as much if not more chance of Pep being in Barcelona next season than Messi being in Manchester.
My feel is that most Socis side with Messi in this but propaganda is often effective as history shows
I have long said Pep will return but I doubt next season (Eventhough Laporta has suggested as much). As for Messi, if I were betting I’d say he will be playing at City within 12 months
Burtonblue
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There will be more u turns to n this than a Tory government...
Neville Kneville
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My feel is that most Socis side with Messi in this but propaganda is often effective as history shows
I have long said Pep will return but I doubt next season (Eventhough Laporta has suggested as much). As for Messi, if I were betting I’d say he will be playing at City within 12 months
Pep has said he hates all the shit that goes on at Barca, stayed too long & is so glad not to have it anymore.
Why on earth would he want it again ?
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Koeman knows Messi rules. He won't dare have the balls to question or challenge him.He won't be disruptive but he's already done the damage. You give your club a coating then expect to go back and get high fives from all in there. He's made his bed now he has to lie in it.
Koeman won't want him, he was a Barca legend in his heyday and has been brought in for one thing only and that is to tell players that they aren't wanted, he knows the Barca way and I'll be doing things differently.
It will end up a war of words between him and Messi.
My feel is that most Socis side with Messi in this but propaganda is often effective as history shows
I have long said Pep will return but I doubt next season (Eventhough Laporta has suggested as much). As for Messi, if I were betting I’d say he will be playing at City within 12 months
Interesting. I feel that a lot of influencing factors coalesce around the end of the 20/21 season and learning about Barcelona's internal politics has helped to explain some of that. The end of Pep's contract. The end of Aguero's contract. The end of Garcia's contract. The Barcelona elections. I can see a world where the Cruyff school win the election, Pep returns in some form, and Messi stays to help rebuild.
Pep has said he hates all the shit that goes on at Barca, stayed too long & is so glad not to have it anymore.
Why on earth would he want it again ?
I didn't realise this.
So the team who's scored the most goals for the past 3 seasons needs another forward to have a shout at the title? I'd have to disagree
Take 2017-2019 out the equation. In that period we squoze the last bit of quality at the top level from David Silva, Vincent Kompany and Fernandinho as a defensive mid. We also probably had the last of Agueros best years and we had Leroy Sane.
We finished 18 points behind a side who are very strong defensively and have Salah, Mane and Firmino up front with amazing full backs. We scored the most goals, but we lost 9 games. We were flat track bullies and we didn’t take our chances in games that mattered. It’s plainly obvious we need a forward to compete for the title. I know we’ve signed Torres, but he will need time to adjust and he’s not got the numbers of goals & assists to suggest he’s going to make the difference for us this season.
Aguero is the wrong side of his peak and coming back from a serious knee injury which is in addition to the 2-3 muscular injuries he has got most seasons of his city career. Jesus bottles chances in big games and imo is not good enough as first choice. We are short of top attacking quality in big matches.
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I think he will mate. If Messi walks back in and starts directing traffik then Koeman will walk. Mind you if a new president comes in Koeman might get flirted off, I'd bet Xavi is in the hotseat before too long.Koeman knows Messi rules. He won't dare have the balls to question or challenge him.
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It ain't over.
It will be over this year or the next summer ?
I don't know what is involved but I suspect it is complicated by the clause that Barcelona claim is in force.If he is so unhappy, why does he not buy out his contract and be a free agent.
And with all due respect of his desire to win the Champions League again, are we his best choice of club to achieve that? Are we not still a way off achieving that? Our defence is simply not good enough in my opinion, even if we have Messi in our team tucking away the chances that will currently miss for fun.
I do wonder if his wish is all football related and some of it is more the financial situation long term.
We do have defensive problems but I assume we are addressing that. There will be other options for Messi if he pursues a free transfer in January.
He's made himself a poisoned pill at Barcelona that the Barcelona board might not want to swallow.
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Because we along with every other club dont want players buying out contracts and wouldnt encourage it or pay him back . Once that starts every club is in trouble.If he is so unhappy, why does he not buy out his contract and be a free agent.
And with all due respect of his desire to win the Champions League again, are we his best choice of club to achieve that? Are we not still a way off achieving that? Our defence is simply not good enough in my opinion, even if we have Messi in our team tucking away the chances that will currently miss for fun.
I do wonder if his wish is all football related and some of it is more the financial situation long term.
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You seem very certain of events. What exactly are you basing this on ie fact or fictionTotal nonsense. Messi is bigger than the dressing room and will continue as captain.
As for him being disruptive on his return- again just won't happen. He loves Barca too much to hurt them like that.
Pep has said he hates all the shit that goes on at Barca, stayed too long & is so glad not to have it anymore.
Why on earth would he want it again ?
Why would Garcia go back? Why would Leo refuse to take the club to court despite professing he is within his rights to leave? Why would Pep say he will eventually return to his club?
Current board is shite & there is always the entorno but Més. You’d have to be a cule to understand and Pep understands
We have enough offensive talent to win the league this season if we tighten up defensively. Jesus is good enough. He's been in and out of the side and that's not easy to deal with. Look how many goals we scored last season and that was without Aguero for much of the season and with David Silva in his last season and Bernardo off form. I have no worries about City offensively. And defensively, the addition of Koulibaly would solve that Kompany sized hole.Take 2017-2019 out the equation. In that period we squoze the last bit of quality at the top level from David Silva, Vincent Kompany and Fernandinho as a defensive mid. We also probably had the last of Agueros best years and we had Leroy Sane.
We finished 18 points behind a side who are very strong defensively and have Salah, Mane and Firmino up front with amazing full backs. We scored the most goals, but we lost 9 games. We were flat track bullies and we didn’t take our chances in games that mattered. It’s plainly obvious we need a forward to compete for the title. I know we’ve signed Torres, but he will need time to adjust and he’s not got the numbers of goals & assists to suggest he’s going to make the difference for us this season.
Aguero is the wrong side of his peak and coming back from a serious knee injury which is in addition to the 2-3 muscular injuries he has got most seasons of his city career. Jesus bottles chances in big games and imo is not good enough as first choice. We are short of top attacking quality in big matches.
We don't need Messi. It would be a tremendous buzz though for 1-2 years, and do wonders for the club on so many levels. If we don't sign him this window, it will scarcely die down before the rumours start again in December which is why I think Barca might in the end welcome a bid. They are going to lose him, and they might now want to lose him given his age and distrust of the club.
Neville Kneville
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Why would Garcia go back? Why would Leo refuse to take the club to court despite professing he is within his rights to leave? Why would Pep say he will eventually return to his club?
Current board is shite & there is always the entorno but Més. You’d have to be a cule to understand and Pep understands
Pep understands more than any of you & says he hates it & will never do it again. Thus stuff right now, is the exact stuff he hates.
'Going back' for Pep, means literallly that, not managing Barcelona.
Many old ex players work as youth coaches etc, at their former clubs. If he fancies it, when the time comes, he could do that. Or just drink wine & shake hands with foks, like Mike Summerbee etc do.
Managing there would be going against everything he's said, including last time he was asked, not long ago.
kaz7
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It wasn't worth the wait for that post lolIf his wife and kids loved him and respected all he’s done for them, they’d support his wish to move for a few years.
We’ve been hoodwinked. Pep and the Spafia have been totally done over here and it’s distracted us from signing those quality players Chelsea have bought up.
For me this ends the final point of the Spafia being here, there is no Barcelona left that we’d want here now. Move them on, change direction. Right now it also feels like Pep can go. Does Messi respect Pep so much that he calls him personally and begs to join, but all along it’s just a game? Fuck you Lionel.
This season is going to be very flat. we’re weaker with Dave and Leroy leaving & we haven’t bought anyone to inspire the squad to push on to more.
"There are no messages of support from his teammates. This has surprised and hurt Leo Messi"
I was really surprised none of the old lot supported him. Xavi, Pique, Puyol, Iniesta. They were all desperate to speak in the media when Neymar was going to leave, none of them said a word for Messi.
I really thought they'd be saying publicly that the club should be honouring the spirit of the contract with Messi.
And silence since his interview.
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Koeman knows Messi rules. He won't dare have the balls to question or challenge him.
My take on it is that I think Koeman's approach with Messi will determine if City bid for him this summer. If the two of them get off to a bad start, I'm sure the media will be all over it and it's going to play out in public, which won't be good for anyone and might make them more willing to sell him now, rather than lose him on a free.
Suarez, who is one of Messi's best mates is apparently furious over how Koeman dealt with him in relation to his own move. There were reports in the press that Koeman had told Suarez there would be no special treatment for certain players, which seemed to be a pop at Messi.
I'm not convinced Koeman is going to make the assurances Messi will want to hear and Barca's transfer targets are not exactly inspiring. Unless they unexpectedly make a few world class signings before the end of the window, I don't think Messi is going to be convinced that anything has changed and will still question their ability to match his ambitions. From Koeman's perspective I'm sure he'll be wary of the potential damage to the team of having an unhappy player, with Messi's influence around the club.
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