It's Quiet thread 14 - 'do one' edition

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nmc said:
It’s always struck me on the few occasions I’ve met players, just how childish and immature many of them are... but I guess they never have to grow up - they live in a protected environment from an early age where the bubble they live in feels like reality. No wonder so many struggle after they finish playing - it must be a heady dose of reality.
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They simultaneously don't need to grow up, and also grow up way too fast.

They all miss out on being 16/17/18 and pissing about with your mates, getting in scrapes, making mistakes, having fun without pressure.

It's not that different to the Disney child actors etc. You throw fame and fortune and all the associated baggage at someone when they're 16/17 and most of the time they end up suffering from it down the line.

Stones was with his girlfriend for 10+ years from the time he was 13 or 14. It's no surprise that he didn't want to spend the rest of his life with her, but because he'd settled down, bought the mansion, had the kid, employed half her family, and lived with the press spotlight, he couldn't just break up like a normal 23 year old and I imagine that's played it's part in what he did.

It's even worse for the South American players who can be financially supporting their entire extended family from 13 or 14 years old and they are the one difference between everyone living in terrible poverty, or being set for life.
 
Keeper! said:
You argued his case with me a few weeks ago :)

Remember the haircut?
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Yes, I still stand by that point. I don't see a haircut as relevant to anything :)

EDIT: this is what I said.

"I don't for one second doubt that Stones has focus issues. I just don't think lockdown hair, which tonnes of footballers had too when they came back, says absolutely anything about him at all as a person or is linked to that. It just means one thing - he didn't get a haircut. Like 99.99% of the country."

Even said I think he has focus issues. I still maintain then haircut is irrelevant.
 
twosips said:
Yes, I still stand by that point. I don't see a haircut as relevant to anything :)

EDIT: this is what I said.

"I don't for one second doubt that Stones has focus issues. I just don't think lockdown hair, which tonnes of footballers had too when they came back, says absolutely anything about him at all as a person or is linked to that. It just means one thing - he didn't get a haircut. Like 99.99% of the country."

Even said I think he has focus issues. I still maintain then haircut is irrelevant.
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says a lot about a man, who had worked hard all lockdown, time to think and come back ready and hungry.

He came back looking like had lived rough in Piccadilly Gardens and he was injured!

Not a great way to return and his manager seemed to feel the same.
 
Keeper! said:
says a lot about a man, who had worked hard all lockdown, time to think and come back ready and hungry.

He came back looking like had lived rough in Piccadilly Gardens and he was injured!

Not a great way to return and his manager seemed to feel the same.
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A haircut says absolutely nothing about a man. All it says is how they prefer their hair
 
Keeper! said:
says a lot about a man, who had worked hard all lockdown, time to think and come back ready and hungry.

He came back looking like had lived rough in Piccadilly Gardens and he was injured!

Not a great way to return and his manager seemed to feel the same.
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No idea why you’ve put so much weight into a bloody haircut. There’s really nothing to read into it. Besides, Bernardo said in a lockdown interview that him and stones had some kind of agreement/bet on that meant not getting a haircut until something happened (can’t remember what) additionally, it was actually against the rules to have a haircut at that moment in time, should be slating everybody that broke the rules and got one rather than the few that didn’t.
 
Keeper! said:
says a lot about a man, who had worked hard all lockdown, time to think and come back ready and hungry.

He came back looking like had lived rough in Piccadilly Gardens and he was injured!

Not a great way to return and his manager seemed to feel the same.
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bit harsh to judge him for not breaking lockdown to get a haircut??
 
Kokonut1307 said:
Raiola wants money. He doesn’t always move his players unless it is financially viable for them. Pogba hasn’t moved, albeit had his up and downs. Håland is worth it.
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I think slowly and gradually I am coming around this fact. This is business and when there is generational talent in question, we should do what needs to be done. Rich agents, exorbitant fees crazy boards we have to deal with all of them.
We have done our bit of being frugal after the initial splurge of money just after the takeover. But we do buy a lot of 40 million players and the success rate is iffy in that regard. Also given the situation with Napoli or Barcelona with Messi, there is always some issue with each transfer. We are trying to entertain ADL then Rioala ain't that bad. Atleast he keeps his clients extremely rich and happy and that's his job description.
 
Great Kompany said:
I think slowly and gradually I am coming around this fact. This is business and when there is generational talent in question, we should do what needs to be done. Rich agents, exorbitant fees crazy boards we have to deal with all of them.
We have done our bit of being frugal after the initial splurge of money just after the takeover. But we do buy a lot of 40 million players and the success rate is iffy in that regard. Also given the situation with Napoli or Barcelona with Messi, there is always some issue with each transfer. We are trying to entertain ADL then Rioala ain't that bad. Atleast he keeps his clients extremely rich and happy and that's his job description.
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Good post.
 
domalino said:
They simultaneously don't need to grow up, and also grow up way too fast.

They all miss out on being 16/17/18 and pissing about with your mates, getting in scrapes, making mistakes, having fun without pressure.

It's not that different to the Disney child actors etc. You throw fame and fortune and all the associated baggage at someone when they're 16/17 and most of the time they end up suffering from it down the line.

Stones was with his girlfriend for 10+ years from the time he was 13 or 14. It's no surprise that he didn't want to spend the rest of his life with her, but because he'd settled down, bought the mansion, had the kid, employed half her family, and lived with the press spotlight, he couldn't just break up like a normal 23 year old and I imagine that's played it's part in what he did.

It's even worse for the South American players who can be financially supporting their entire extended family from 13 or 14 years old and they are the one difference between everyone living in terrible poverty, or being set for life.
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You are spot-on about the South American stars. The conditions that Sergio and Tevez endured as youngsters are staggering (I have read both their books) Sergio has often said that he feels relaxed in Manchester because he loves peace and quiet. I read one quote from him saying he loves the rain here because he had been used to a hot and dusty shack (literally a shack with no running water) with no air conditioning. None of these players can separate their personal circumstances from their life on the field.
 
Great Kompany said:
I think slowly and gradually I am coming around this fact. This is business and when there is generational talent in question, we should do what needs to be done. Rich agents, exorbitant fees crazy boards we have to deal with all of them.
We have done our bit of being frugal after the initial splurge of money just after the takeover. But we do buy a lot of 40 million players and the success rate is iffy in that regard. Also given the situation with Napoli or Barcelona with Messi, there is always some issue with each transfer. We are trying to entertain ADL then Rioala ain't that bad. Atleast he keeps his clients extremely rich and happy and that's his job description.
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We either have to have a policy of never being in for the genuine top of the pile players, or we have to hold our noses & deal with the scum, when true exceptions appear.

Some of them, we have to have people who can judge a player & sign them early.

Torres & Jesus were well worth the gamble at low price, but some young players in future will cost 3 times as much & a few months later, 6 times then a bit later 8 times as much.
 
Not gonna lie, few months ago I was expecting us to be in a much better place come the start of the season week (even though we skip GW1).
Like seriously, what's up? Players, manager, recruitment... Everything feels a bit sore at the moment.
 
Great Kompany said:
I think slowly and gradually I am coming around this fact. This is business and when there is generational talent in question, we should do what needs to be done. Rich agents, exorbitant fees crazy boards we have to deal with all of them.
We have done our bit of being frugal after the initial splurge of money just after the takeover. But we do buy a lot of 40 million players and the success rate is iffy in that regard. Also given the situation with Napoli or Barcelona with Messi, there is always some issue with each transfer. We are trying to entertain ADL then Rioala ain't that bad. Atleast he keeps his clients extremely rich and happy and that's his job description.
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This is the fact of the matter. True game changing talents are very, very rare and in the past few years we chosen not to pursue anyone who: would require us to seriously bid against other top clubs, would ask for wages that are high but in line with what other clubs will pay, or would require us to deal with an agent that we don't like. And of course it turns out that it's really difficult to buy top players when you limit yourself in this way.

Not going after a 20 year old, obviously going to be world class, striker because of his agent is madness.
 
the reason it’s been so quiet recently isn’t because of the whole Messi saga , as previously posted we need to get rid off some dead wood to bring in new players , But The pandemic Hasn’t helped , other clubs just simply don’t have as much funds as normal . however good news I’ve been informed, Angelino, Garcia and Otamendi Are all close to being sold , stones is set to stay , Koulibaly is very close just the bonuses which need sorting , the reason this has dragged on is because city and Napoli aren’t talking it’s going through his agent and the amount of people involved , also Napoli have moved the goal posts so many times , I’m suprised city haven’t walked away but he has been the number one target since day one . I can see city never dealing with Napoli again after this , Pep has agreed an extension , not sure Why there Delaying the announcement..

Liam Delap to be promoted but Martinez at inter is the striker we want !
That’s all I know at the moment folks , passing on in good faith
 
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