COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[True_Blue69]

You must remember what April and May were like? People dying in their thousands and the NHS at breaking point. These lockdowns aren't being advised on the basis that we will continue at 8-20 deaths a day. They are being advised on the basis that we're seeing an exponential growth in cases and Chris Whitty believes our hospitals could be overwhelmed again in a few weeks like they were the last time we didn't lock down soon enough.

I don't want another lockdown, but the government haven't used their time or resources very well in helping us to avoid one. They're still encouraging needless activity, have failed to implement test and trace effectively and have allowed the testing system to collapse. These things had to happen alongside us reopening schools and the hospitality sector. Very much doubt they'll get public buy in for any further lockdowns now anyway given their messaging has shown itself to be highly inconsistent and hypocritical at times. They will of course encourage us to blame eachother when that happens though. Blame the young, blame ethnic minorities, blame anyone except them.

Yes I do, fucking awful. That was when we didn't know anything about the virus and what was going to happen. We now have different treatments available for those who get ill and also know it doesn't kill 3% of those who get it, which was what was touted around when we locked down.

You are totally right about the blame culture. Even on here everyone blames 'the young' without a second thought. It's clear that society is hanging together by a thread and the police encouraging people to shop their neighbours and constant blame is making things worse. Another lockdown will tip things over the edge.

 

[Bazzmand Show]

Exactly once it's escalated it takes another 4/5 weeks to start to get under control.

Personally I don't know what the answer is but the infrastructure that hasn't been properly put in while we had time over the summer is going to bite us all in the arse over winter.

The government had loads of time to put things in place ahead of winter, they've had 6 months for fucks sake. And now its getting toward October and shit looks like it's about to hit the fan and oh guess what 'we've run out of tests'.

This is going to be a long long winter.

 

[blue b4 the moon]

The government had loads of time to put things in place ahead of winter, they've had 6 months for fucks sake. And now its getting toward October and shit looks like it's about to hit the fan and oh guess what 'we've run out of tests'.

This is going to be a long long winter.

Sadly it is going to be a bad one.

Without getting too political on the non-political CV thread I'm not convinced any party would have done much different.

Even so our softish lockdown compared to say Italy/Spains stricter one in retrospect hasn't had any more of a negative outcome, Spain in particular admittedly a few weeks ahead of us has spiralling deaths, I feel sure from the stat posts on here we're heading that way.

 

[Blue Llama]

Lock downs don't work that is obvious in terms of flattening the curve for too long it just kicks the can down the road.

That's clearly bollocks. Lockdown did work because the numbers fell dramatically. Its only after we started to slacken off the control measures and idiots took that as a signal that they could ignore any kind of distancing an self protection

 

[Blue Llama]

Yes I do, fucking awful. That was when we didn't know anything about the virus and what was going to happen. We now have different treatments available for those who get ill and also know it doesn't kill 3% of those who get it, which was what was touted around when we locked down.

You are totally right about the blame culture. Even on here everyone blames 'the young' without a second thought. It's clear that society is hanging together by a thread and the police encouraging people to shop their neighbours and constant blame is making things worse. Another lockdown will tip things over the edge.

I don't believe that its entirely the young but there is a difference. There are older people, lets say 50 and above who just cannot make the connection between what they are doing at any one time and how much of a risk that action is taking. That's just down to a lack of joined up thinking. Younger people are taking conscious decisions to ignore the safety measures required because either they don't believe it will affect them, cannot be arsed or simply rebelling against being told what to do. An example of both can regularly be seen on public transport under the 'get out' clause that if you have a medical problem you don't have to use a mask. This is stupid, if your respiratory system is so weak that you cannot wear a mask sitting down doing sod all you should not be taking any exposure risks on public transport, there are faster ways of killing yourself.

 

[mosssideblue]

No I would be gutted, but everyone dies at some point it's not exclusive to covid. Everyone has become that obsessed with this thing that all perspective has gone. It's nowhere near the biggest killer in the country at the moment. If it starts to escalate out of control then yes take more measures, but it's clearly not out of control.

If it starts to escalate to the point of being out of control, it is too late to think about taking measures.

The first wave, the Government were slow to react what was seen to be coming and rightly slated for it. If they want to be proactive and maybe, over zealous with the signs now, fair play to them.

 

[Scottyboi]

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[True_Blue69]

If it starts to escalate to the point of being out of control, it is too late to think about taking measures.

The first wave, the Government were slow to react what was seen to be coming and rightly slated for it. If they want to be proactive and maybe, over zealous with the signs now, fair play to them.

I get that and do agree with you. But the playing field is nowhere near the same as in March now. Large gatherings are already banned, most people are working from home, everyone has to wear a mask, awareness is on a different level, no groups of more than 6 etc etc. I don't think we can put any more restrictions in place that are already in without causing a lot more damage than what the virus can.

It's a shite situation and no one wants either option I'm sure.

 

[True_Blue69]

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What a twat.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

The government had loads of time to put things in place ahead of winter, they've had 6 months for fucks sake. And now its getting toward October and shit looks like it's about to hit the fan and oh guess what 'we've run out of tests'.

This is going to be a long long winter.

i agree, the testing fiasco been a shambolic performance by Johnsons government. I cant see how anyone can think differently. they knew this was coming they have been telling us for months. All we get is empty soundbites, world class this and that. tbh i am astonished they have failed to implement something clearly so important and fundemental for the health of our people and the economy of our country. its unforgiveable imo.

 

[Bazzmand Show]

I get that and do agree with you. But the playing field is nowhere near the same as in March now. Large gatherings are already banned, most people are working from home, everyone has to wear a mask, awareness is on a different level, no groups of more than 6 etc etc. I don't think we can put any more restrictions in place that are already in without causing a lot more damage than what the virus can.

It's a shite situation and no one wants either option I'm sure.

Have we got any insight into how cooperative the public are being with masks now?

 

[Mon Autre]

Yes I do, fucking awful. That was when we didn't know anything about the virus and what was going to happen. We now have different treatments available for those who get ill and also know it doesn't kill 3% of those who get it, which was what was touted around when we locked down.

You are totally right about the blame culture. Even on here everyone blames 'the young' without a second thought. It's clear that society is hanging together by a thread and the police encouraging people to shop their neighbours and constant blame is making things worse. Another lockdown will tip things over the edge.

But we can't really be sure of what % it was killing in the beginning either because the testing structure wasn't fully in place yet. A lot of milder cases were going undiagnosed. There's a lag before the hospital cases start creeping and it's too late to stop it if you lock down too late.

I really hate the idea of another lockdown but I don't think Chris Whitty should be accused of overreacting for advising one. He's given lots of advice along the way about steps we'd need to take to avoid a second national lockdown and it's been ignored.

He advised the government that we couldn't open anything else up beyond hospitality if we wanted to reopen schools. The government responded by telling people to go to the office even if the they could work from home. He said test and trace was vital and the govenrnment responded by letting the testing system fall apart and failing to get tracing off the ground at all. He said we needed to be prepared to wait until next year before we could fully go back to normal and the PM told everyone we'd be fine by Xmas.

If Chris Whitty's earlier advice had been heeded then he might not have had to give the advice he's giving now.

It was always going to be difficult to manage this but the government have seriously left us on the back foot.

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

Lockdown just won't work now unless we have the military on the streets to help enforce and that just isn't going to happen. People are just treating it as a joke now and don't care about the ramifications. I know numerous people who have continually broken the law since March and plaster it all over social media. Seen one extended family recently who all came together for a celebration which included at least seven, possibly more, different households and they are meant to be in a lockdown in Greater Manchester. Then you have to assume having all been together they then all go back to work, school, college etc and mingling with others. Only takes one to have it and goodness knows how many they go on to infect. I don't understand the mentality of some people and why they think they are above the law. Hope they are last in line when a vaccine is available.

 

[mancity1]

That's clearly bollocks. Lockdown did work because the numbers fell dramatically. Its only after we started to slacken off the control measures and idiots took that as a signal that they could ignore any kind of distancing an self protection

Of course if you don't practice protocols as I said the virus will spread quicker amongst super spreaders and others but that is not the point.

Lock downs only increase suicide rates , mental health issues , delay life saving diagnosis of many diseases and criplle the livelihoods of many , many of whom will never recover.

What you do is look after the vulnerable and improve your protocols of self testing , contact tracing and personal safety.

Let the citizen that is able to look after their own health and the rest will take care of itself.

of course if you lock down everything and impose the spread will reduce as this virus is spread through human breathing but while its spread very easily for obvious reasons its not nearly as lethal as politicians and bureaucrats make out.

Look as the numbers they speak for themselves and most 2 and 3 waves for this " pandemic " are less lethal that the first.

Again this virus in various strains and mutations will be around for a long time to come so learn to live with it like you have to live with all other risks.

Lock down again at your peril.

 

[Champions Again Ole Ole]

Lockdown just won't work now unless we have the military on the streets to help enforce and that just isn't going to happen. People are just treating it as a joke now and don't care about the ramifications. I know numerous people who have continually broken the law since March and plaster it all over social media. Seen one extended family recently who all came together for a celebration which included at least seven, possibly more, different households and they are meant to be in a lockdown in Greater Manchester. Then you have to assume having all been together they then all go back to work, school, college etc and mingling with others. Only takes one to have it and goodness knows how many they go on to infect. I don't understand the mentality of some people and why they think they are above the law. Hope they are last in line when a vaccine is available.

The government are the reason everyone is now treating it as a joke and not listening. Cummings is the reason.

 

[Bazzmand Show]

Lockdown just won't work now unless we have the military on the streets to help enforce and that just isn't going to happen.

Its going to get colder from next week, I really don't think a lock down will be that hard to enforce over winter personally.

 

[BlueHammer85]

work want us back to London from start of next week :(

 

[mosssideblue]

I get that and do agree with you. But the playing field is nowhere near the same as in March now. Large gatherings are already banned, most people are working from home, everyone has to wear a mask, awareness is on a different level, no groups of more than 6 etc etc. I don't think we can put any more restrictions in place that are already in without causing a lot more damage than what the virus can.

It's a shite situation and no one wants either option I'm sure.

For me, the restrictions are there but adherence is a different matter

 

[SPIDERBOY]

Its going to get colder from next week, I really don't think a lock down will be that hard to enforce over winter personally.

Do you not think it will make people go in each other's houses,rather than sit outside the pub or in each other's gardens?
Genuine question that mate.

 

[Blue Potato]

Sounds like the restrictions set to be announced in the North East later today are stricter than those we currently have in most parts of Greater Manchester (10pm curfew on pubs/restaurants, no socialising with anyone outside your own household regardless of the setting) - this makes little sense, unless GM is set to be put under the same set of more restrictive rules in the near future?

Local restrictions set to come into force across North East

A ban on socialising with anyone from a different household and a 10pm pubs curfew are likely to be included, in a bid to stop the spread of Covid-19

www.chroniclelive.co.uk