GB News

[inbetween]

The problem the news programs have at the minute, similar to in the states, is how much do they just report what the government is saying compared to giving their viewership the full facts.

The issue isn’t about political persuasion as such, it’s reality vs perception. Our current leaders have taken the idea of spin to a completely new level where its just out and out lies at times.

That’s why currently you’ve even got lifelong right wing commentators criticising the current government.

This is exactly it and why are we calling it a news channel?

Opinion isn't news.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

and another R/W party is started - no idea where he gets his 94% claim from but I am pleased to see this as its just more and more fragmentation on the right - no wonder the Tories and Johnson are going backwards in the polls

yet the "right" are better than the "left" for finding a way to get along come election time to ensure their "side" get the most votes.

 

[The perfect fumble]

I'm setting up the Sex, Booze and Fags Party.

I've got Pornhub, Diageo and British American Tobacco on board, so I don't need any f**king members.

 

[meltonblue]

This is exactly it and why are we calling it a news channel?

Opinion isn't news.

Exactly, but our current government (and Trump) are intentionally blurring the lines between them. You then have people (wrongly) perceiving bias even when the news organisations are reporting facts because they are contradictory to what the governments are saying.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Neil is promoting his new channel on Sky News right now. He's doing well selling it. Accusing Johnson of being a wind up artist over his BBC director preferences and bemoaning Dacre at OfCom.

"This government are politicising quangos like America are doing to their legal sytem."


The channel will be available on Freeview rather than a subscription model as he wants the largest audience possible. Neil claims the GB News will have political debate from the whole spectrum within OfCom guidelines and won't have a Fox News type centre right editorial policy.

We shall see...

Neil seems to be pretty strident in wanting to expose fools and dangerous practices in politics, and certainly knows what he's talking about in the media.
That sounds to be very strong words though!

 

[hgblue]

Exactly, but our current government (and Trump) are intentionally blurring the lines between them. You then have people (wrongly) perceiving bias even when the news organisations are reporting facts because they are contradictory to what the governments are saying.

The anti Brexit anti Conservative bias of our media is invisible to you because you share it. If you are correct and our news media are fair and balanced this new channel will be a flop because there will be no market for it. I strongly suspect the new channel will be a huge success. We shall see.

 

[Rascal]

The anti Brexit anti Conservative bias of our media is invisible to you because you share it. If you are correct and our news media are fair and balanced this new channel will be a flop because there will be no market for it. I strongly suspect the new channel will be a huge success. We shall see.

I am pro brexit and don't think there has been any bias at all, if anything the whole Brexit process has not been questioned enough and thats allowed Johnson to fuck it up instead of getting it sorted. I also think having Farage on every 5 minutes turned a lot of potential brexit supporters off as he is a grade A ****.

 

[mat]

Neil seems to be pretty strident in wanting to expose fools and dangerous practices in politics, and certainly knows what he's talking about in the media.
That sounds to be very strong words though!

If that’s a flavour of the editorial policy he puts in place I’m all for it. Should Neil’s Network becomes a no bullshit news organisation I’ll gladly watch.

 

[inbetween]

Exactly, but our current government (and Trump) are intentionally blurring the lines between them. You then have people (wrongly) perceiving bias even when the news organisations are reporting facts because they are contradictory to what the governments are saying.

Indeed however I don't think we are going to get away from that because we all consciously decide what news to read (based upon the opinions it gives). This is why you won't find many Labour supporters reading the Mail or many right-wingers reading the Mirror.

I don't think the government have blurred facts but rather people at heart don't want to consider facts to form opinions as opposed to their prejudices which is something politicians exploit much more. The time of being quietly humble and considerate in opinions has long gone.

 

[meltonblue]

The anti Brexit anti Conservative bias of our media is invisible to you because you share it. If you are correct and our news media are fair and balanced this new channel will be a flop because there will be no market for it. I strongly suspect the new channel will be a huge success. We shall see.

I’m not anti brexit or anti conservative. Like I said, you have conservatives right now saying the same thing. You are proving my point though in that you’re subverting the issue. I’m only talking about facts, not opinions.

On that though, ersonally I’m not overly interested in reading my own opinions back at me though, I’d rather read the opposite otherwise I’m not equipped well enough to justify having an opinion in the first place.

There is a market for a new channel that isn’t fair and balanced, that’s essentially how certain papers thrive too. It’s perception though, what people perceive as fair and balanced in that aspect tends to be just suiting their own opinions.

What I want, and it’s from the papers too, is clearer delineation between editorials and news.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

If that’s a flavour of the editorial policy he puts in place I’m all for it. Should Neil’s Network becomes a no bullshit news organisation I’ll gladly watch.

That's pretty much what I think - give it a chance to see what it does. I doubt I'll watch much though.

I doubt Johnson will go anywhere near him.

 

[Rascal]

Indeed however I don't think we are going to get away from that because we all consciously decide what news to read (based upon the opinions it gives). This is why you won't find many Labour supporters reading the Mail or many right-wingers reading the Mirror.

I don't think the government have blurred facts but rather people at heart don't want to consider facts to form opinions as opposed to their prejudices which is something politicians exploit much more. The time of being quietly humble and considerate in opinions has long gone.

Can you explain why I read the Telegraph, the FT and bought the Economist for years and never bought the Mirror and abhor the Guardian?

Fullfact.org would disagree with your statement on Govt blurring facts, under Johnson we have become a fact free zone.

 

[mat]

That's pretty much what I think - give it a chance to see what it does. I doubt I'll watch much though.

I doubt Johnson will go anywhere near him.

Like Morgan he’ll make sure everyone knows about it mind. Old fashioned doorstepping might be his in.

 

[meltonblue]

Can you explain why I read the Telegraph, the FT and bought the Economist for years and never bought the Mirror and abhor the Guardian?

Fullfact.org would disagree with your statement on Govt blurring facts, under Johnson we have become a fact free zone.

Yep, exactly the same as me.

 

[greasedupdeafguy]

There is clearly a gap for a high quality British political channel. BBC is awful and axed it’s most insightful show This Week, isn’t Politics live being ditched as well? Channel 4 is very bias and Sky news is just a pretty dated format.

 

[mat]

There is clearly a gap for a high quality British political channel. BBC is awful and axed it’s most insightful show This Week, isn’t Politics live being ditched as well? Channel 4 is very bias and Sky news is just a pretty dated format.

This week was axed because their trendy politics programmer thought it was stale. It’s what prompted Neil to fuck them off. He said on Sky they were pissing about with his contact.

 

[inbetween]

Can you explain why I read the Telegraph, the FT and bought the Economist for years and never bought the Mirror and abhor the Guardian?

Fullfact.org would disagree with your statement on Govt blurring facts, under Johnson we have become a fact free zone.

Of course we have become fact-free but I can't believe anyone really deep down considers we are dealing with fact on anything or ever have. Politics has always been a point of view, it's just new that we have become obsessed with how political events are presented but let's not pretend we care about fact. We have always only cared about the facts that we like which makes facts in themselves pointless in a debate between views.

The BBC is for example criticised by all corners and that just shows it all really because the BBC generally does not take any slant on anything. The anger people have is that the BBC doesn't criticise or promote events as per their view and so of course they believe it's biased.

The fault for all of this is with social media and the increasing number of outlets people have to comment on events. The advantage this creates for politicians is they can use the output from those outlets for data modelling which gives policy created around popular opinion and not fact. That's what gave us Brexit and it's why Dominic Cummings is hiring data scientists and software developers in No.10 but not policy advisers.

In the grand scheme of things it has to be asked why politicians want to create popular policy to get elected but not create policy for the better. Clearly our political system does not serve the people who the facts affect on a daily basis. That includes media who are only interested in ratings and return on advertising budgets rather than reporting facts...

 

[bluethrunthru]

I think part of his problem will be that unless he is "kind" to the Govt it will soon deteriorate into an opinion show with the likes of Darren Grimes giving his opinions as the Govt will simply blank him like they do all the major news programmes.

 

[Bovril]

I think part of his problem will be that unless he is "kind" to the Govt it will soon deteriorate into an opinion show with the likes of Darren Grimes giving his opinions as the Govt will simply blank him like they do all the major news programmes.

I am not allowed to PM so just wanted to say sorry for being a prick last night. Beer and a heavy defeat doesn't work (no excuse). won't happen again, back in my box.

 

[bluethrunthru]

I am not allowed to PM so just wanted to say sorry for being a prick last night. Beer and a heavy defeat doesn't work (no excuse). won't happen again, back in my box.

Thats ok mate - any right minded Blue was in a state of bewliderment - and possibly an alcohol induced haze - lets hope neither happen again eh?