COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[inchy14]

They have made plenty of mistakes as i have said before , i am no fan but they responded to stop the nhs being overwhelmed and to stop the virus tearing through the population , their job was to stop us dying , nobody is immune so the lockdown had to happen , it is that simple , the affects have been shit , a pandemic is not supposed to be easy , all the moaning about not being able to go to the pub or football or having to wear a mask does more to over shadow the true costs of lockdown than anything else imo

You are saying thousands will die of suicide again

Not interested in the pub or football and I wear I mask wherever I go, but if it’s serious shut the pubs completely, stop the football, keep everyone at home for 2 weeks, totally. Only keep the necessary jobs open, hospital, police, gas electric etc.. close every other business for that 2 week period. Don’t allow anyone in or out of the country for 2 weeks, make sure every household is stocked up with food for a fortnight with the army doing the logistics and get rid of the virus totally once and got all. Then check every arrival after this period into the country to ensure we’re free of it.
They won’t though, they fuck around with half arsed measures slowly destroying communities, jobs, lives because it’s easier to drag out this thing for years instead of cutting it dead straightaway.

I know that all seems to difficult but most were locked up for weeks but able to just pop here and there, it was never going to stop it from spreading.

 

[oldhamblue]

Family member runs an NHS trust in Manchester. She said yesterday the Nightingale hospital in Manchester is being prepared for the second wave. Not an NHS ITK just passing on in good faith

 

[MCFCTrick]

Not interested in the pub or football and I wear I mask wherever I go, but if it’s serious shut the pubs completely, stop the football, keep everyone at home for 2 weeks, totally. Only keep the necessary jobs open, hospital, police, gas electric etc.. close every other business for that 2 week period. Don’t allow anyone in or out of the country for 2 weeks, make sure every household is stocked up with food for a fortnight with the army doing the logistics and get rid of the virus totally once and got all. Then check every arrival after this period into the country to ensure we’re free of it.
They won’t though, they fuck around with half arsed measures slowly destroying communities, jobs, lives because it’s easier to drag out this thing for years instead of cutting it dead straightaway.

I know that all seems to difficult but most were locked up for weeks but able to just pop here and there, it was never going to stop it from spreading.

Will it really just disappear if there was a full two week lockdown though?
We had a longer one in March and it is still here.
And I do realise certain groups and communities didn't adhere to the lockdown then, but then there is nothing to guarantee the same will a second time round...

 

[mrbelfry]

If the problem of people catching it is in enclosed spaces with limited ventilation then locking us all in is counter productive. The government should round us all up and release us on the moors. All that open space and fresh air and we will be golden in no time.

 

[inchy14]

Will it really just disappear if there was a full two week lockdown though?
We had a longer one in March and it is still here.
And I do realise certain groups and communities didn't adhere to the lockdown then, but then there is nothing to guarantee the same will a second time round...

We didn’t though did we really, shops were open, public transport still was available, people were told to work from home if they could but how many is that? None in manufacturing to start with really.
If we closed up shop and tested everyone arriving into the uk after the 2 weeks we’d know how many and who would have it, as they’d either be in hospital, have died of it or survived the 2 weeks incubation period.
I know it probably isn’t practical but would be better than the half baked and half arsed measures we’ve put up with for 7 months now.
Christ I drove to Anglesey on Saturday and came back Sunday, it was something I needed to do so had to go but people in Wrexham couldn’t do what I was doing!! It’s fucking ludicrous.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

The level of fear about the pandemic needs to be proportionate to its dangers. Some people have become too scared to even leave their houses, whilst hundreds have died in hospitals or care homes without being able to say goodbye to their friends and family, due to blanket bans on visitors for fear of infection. The risk to children and young people is extremely low and even in older age groups many people infected survive and return to normal or near normal health. Long periods of convalescence and healing are common with many, many infections and not only limited to covid-19. Viral hepatitis, glandular fever and even flu.. With all the improvements in clinical management and better understanding of the need for physical distancing we are undoubtedly in a better situation than when all this started.

Continuous government u-turns and contradictory advice also undermine confidence. “Eat Out to Help Out” and ”go back to work” were both adopted slogans. Now as cases are rising—as was inevitable—the government has decided blaming people for not sticking to the rules is the way to go.
If the public do not trust the governments’ approach, or understand the rules, then they will be much less likely to adhere to them.

Public health interventions and strategies should never include striking fear into the minds of the people or punishing them. This would not be advocated in any public health strategy. The government should be talking about the obvious long-term nature of this and the difficulties ahead. Instead, we get told there will be a vaccine by the autumn, everything will be sorted by Christmas, and we will get to no new cases or new deaths, which is misleading at best.

Any infection that is transmitted asymptomatically, and there are many, eradication is not possible without a vaccine. Without one, this strategy of lockdowns will be required to last years, undoubtedly doing more damage than the virus. I suspect we’ve already passed the tipping point when the costs of our efforts to contain the pandemic exceed the benefits, for the majority of population groups.

The risks need to be set into context, compared to the risks of everyday life. There are about 12,000 deaths in the UK every week, many of them from causes a lot easier to prevent than covid-19. We need to strike a better balance and we must counter fear by providing objective, quantitative data that sets this pandemic into context.

 

[johnnytapia]

We're in exactly the same situation this end. One kid in another class tested positive, all year 6 classes sent home on Friday for 2 weeks. We're lucky enough that we can both work from home but I know other parents who have been completely screwed for the next two weeks by this.

This will change. School leaders will be asked to narrow down the number of pupils / staff being sent home. That's the official word coming from the LA. At the moment, it's very much belt and braces, but, as you allude to in your post, utterly unsustainable.

 

[johnnytapia]

Will it really just disappear if there was a full two week lockdown though?
We had a longer one in March and it is still here.
And I do realise certain groups and communities didn't adhere to the lockdown then, but then there is nothing to guarantee the same will a second time round...

Look to New Zealand for the answer to what happens after a full and proper lockdown.

 

[bluejon]

This will change. School leaders will be asked to narrow down the number of pupils / staff being sent home. That's the official word coming from the LA. At the moment, it's very much belt and braces, but, as you allude to in your post, utterly unsustainable.

one of the mums in my daughter's year, her daughter had only come back in on the tuesday after 2 weeks off, she was over the moon to be back in, and then boom, friday, off for two weeks again. both parents work, dad's a cabbie the mum's an accountant and has to be in the office, so that's four weeks where they both couldn't do their job at the same time. it's fucked. and all of this over figures in hospitals which are very much in line with what you would expect this time of year. there is no rational argument for what is going on right now, but here we are.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Look to New Zealand for the answer to what happens after a full and proper lockdown.

NZ have done a great job and we could have done much better. But you cant really compare NZ with the UK. LHR alone has 15 times more international flights than all of NZ. Plus millions international ferry passengers NZ has none. Plus The channel Tunnel. IMO NZ is unique in its remoteness and ability to cut itself off from the rest of the world.

 

[Craig]

The vast majority are coming round to that way of thinking as well, don't know anyone that doesn't think it has been disproportionate. I do think in March they had to do what they did, they had no option, but it's getting ridiculous now. Most countries are still relaxing their restrictions and we are making ours tougher.

Spot on, we have to live with it just like other diseases and to keep shutting everything for a few weeks is now doing more harm than good.

 

[bluejon]

The vast majority are coming round to that way of thinking as well, don't know anyone that doesn't think it has been disproportionate. I do think in March they had to do what they did, they had no option, but it's getting ridiculous now. Most countries are still relaxing their restrictions and we are making ours tougher.

Even the ones on my facebook page who were being mega preachy about the protests over the summer, packed beaches etc, covid spreading, have given up now. none of those events lead to any rise in serious infection/death (i originally wrote 'infection' there, but it's time we realised that unless infection leads to the two things i changed it to, infection doesn't matter. we get infected with all sorts every year, our species has survived because we can generally fight them off when we are healthy)

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

I am not , the source he gave was for 2019 and this year is too small a sample to be significant in both sources , i am sorry i can read and understand studies , the time to look at these things is later when we have the full picture

It will be too late for so many by then.

 

[BlueAnorak]

PHE is largely gone now Blue Anorak and Dido Harding is in charge of most of its former functions

Duncan Selbie - Wikipedia

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Whoever is responsible for this shambles, it is not just a data management issue. Somebody in a senior position should have been close enough to the info / trends and used their brain to establish that something had gone badly wrong. They can’t just hide behind saying the problem wouldn’t have happened if the data was recorded on a suitable database. The spike in cases from the student Halls or Residence was all over the local and national news. In addition, I posted a week ago that testing in Newcastle was finding 1 in 10 people had the virus and this wasn’t reflected in the case numbers.

No senior management in this country understands IT , yet without it their business cannot function.

 

[BlueHammer85]

bang on the money, young people have been forgotten completely in this rush to fix everything Covid. Students get blamed but they have properly shafted loaded with debt the majority now being forced to pay for things that are not being provided. Futures ruined. My daughter is at Uni but her future career has been ruined by Covid with the government providing no support. No wonder so many of them ar disobeying the convoluted rules. My youngest is very woried about the future and her job proapects.

yep. Feel so sorry for the young. And still some want to generalise and point the finger at them.

 

[fulabeer]

Since we are approaching nearly 6000 pages, i'm reluctant to read through them.
Are we any closer to answering the question of natural immunity once infected?
Are people getting Covid twice?
I know there where some early reports of a few people getting it twice, but dodgy testing and poor immune systems could explain that.

There seems to be a reluctance for anybody to state how long, or if there is any continuing immunity.
Even the announced mass antibody testing never happened. I think it was due to not wanting to give people a false sense of security, and a chance people with immunity given special privileges at work etc.

So what's the latest opinions?

 

[Nebuchadnezzar]

Since we are approaching nearly 6000 pages, i'm reluctant to read through them.
Are we any closer to answering the question of natural immunity once infected?
Are people getting Covid twice?
I know there where some early reports of a few people getting it twice, but dodgy testing and poor immune systems could explain that.

There seems to be a reluctance for anybody to state how long, or if there is any continuing immunity.
Even the announced mass antibody testing never happened. I think it was due to not wanting to give people a false sense of security, and a chance people with immunity given special privileges at work etc.

So what's the latest opinions?

That all the posts should be downloaded and made into a book when all this is said and done. Sometimes I still go back to the first few pages when this was just a thing in China. An absolute mammoth of a thread.

 

[BigJoe#1]

Will it really just disappear if there was a full two week lockdown though?
We had a longer one in March and it is still here.
And I do realise certain groups and communities didn't adhere to the lockdown then, but then there is nothing to guarantee the same will a second time round...

No it wont, as has been said we are too cosmopolitan and its too late. We really need to invest time and money in looking at herd immunisation, the facts are out there to be seen.

We can and we should take measures to check everyone's temperature that comes into the UK and put in place serious measures to isolate anyone who is suspected of having covid.

As I mentioned previously, we had (maybe still have?) a gold plated opportunity to carry out a controlled experiment in Newcastle. The 750 or so infected students should be provided food and supplies and told they must stay in quarantine for fourteen days. Every day they should all be tested and have their temperatures taken and the results analysed.

I would propose they should also carry out a similar operation at another University where there is little or no covid present - this might go a long way to proving that youngsters are relatively unaffected and they should be allowed to carry on with normal living/studying. It would mean that vulnerable, old and people who need shielding would have to be warned to not go out for the time being and lets mlook at how it spreads then... something like this is the only way forward.

 

[Bluesince1979]

The level of fear about the pandemic needs to be proportionate to its dangers. Some people have become too scared to even leave their houses, whilst hundreds have died in hospitals or care homes without being able to say goodbye to their friends and family, due to blanket bans on visitors for fear of infection. The risk to children and young people is extremely low and even in older age groups many people infected survive and return to normal or near normal health. Long periods of convalescence and healing are common with many, many infections and not only limited to covid-19. Viral hepatitis, glandular fever and even flu.. With all the improvements in clinical management and better understanding of the need for physical distancing we are undoubtedly in a better situation than when all this started.

Continuous government u-turns and contradictory advice also undermine confidence. “Eat Out to Help Out” and ”go back to work” were both adopted slogans. Now as cases are rising—as was inevitable—the government has decided blaming people for not sticking to the rules is the way to go.
If the public do not trust the governments’ approach, or understand the rules, then they will be much less likely to adhere to them.

Public health interventions and strategies should never include striking fear into the minds of the people or punishing them. This would not be advocated in any public health strategy. The government should be talking about the obvious long-term nature of this and the difficulties ahead. Instead, we get told there will be a vaccine by the autumn, everything will be sorted by Christmas, and we will get to no new cases or new deaths, which is misleading at best.

Any infection that is transmitted asymptomatically, and there are many, eradication is not possible without a vaccine. Without one, this strategy of lockdowns will be required to last years, undoubtedly doing more damage than the virus. I suspect we’ve already passed the tipping point when the costs of our efforts to contain the pandemic exceed the benefits, for the majority of population groups.

The risks need to be set into context, compared to the risks of everyday life. There are about 12,000 deaths in the UK every week, many of them from causes a lot easier to prevent than covid-19. We need to strike a better balance and we must counter fear by providing objective, quantitative data that sets this pandemic into context.

A well put post.
I see a lot of the general public in my job and pretty much 99% are fed up with the chopping and changing. All confidence gone and are less likely to adhere anymore.

i put a mask on when i go into their houses but NONE have wore one for me , they nearly all say, “dont bother with the mask pal, we are quite relaxed about it”.

this government have fucked up so badly they cant now backtrack as theyll look even more stupid so they have to continue down this road of locking us up, closing their eyes with theIr head under the covers going “lalalala” and hope it all goes away.

 

[remember arthur mann]

No it wont, as has been said we are too cosmopolitan and its too late. We really need to invest time and money in looking at herd immunisation, the facts are out there to be seen.

We can and we should take measures to check everyone's temperature that comes into the UK and put in place serious measures to isolate anyone who is suspected of having covid.

As I mentioned previously, we had (maybe still have?) a gold plated opportunity to carry out a controlled experiment in Newcastle. The 750 or so infected students should be provided food and supplies and told they must stay in quarantine for fourteen days. Every day they should all be tested and have their temperatures taken and the results analysed.

I would propose they should also carry out a similar operation at another University where there is little or no covid present - this might go a long way to proving that youngsters are relatively unaffected and they should be allowed to carry on with normal living/studying. It would mean that vulnerable, old and people who need shielding would have to be warned to not go out for the time being and lets mlook at how it spreads then... something like this is the only way forward.

The action taken by the government has been a shambles from day one.