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Piers Morgan made a great point this morning and it summed up this thread really. It was that during the course of the pandemic the public have been split into 2 self-righteous factions who both believe that they are right on this and cannot be changed. He pointed out that even the expert scientists cannot come to an agreement so how can any of the general public be so sure that they are right on this. Essentially there is no correct answer or solution so people need to come together rather than have this huge divide similar to what we saw with Brexit. I agree with this totally, all the blaming of other groups of people of people or judging for not wearing a mask when you don't know the background is damaging the spirit of the people to the point beyond repair I feel.
 
gingerprince said:

Local Covid Alert Level High​

This is for areas with a higher level of infections where some additional restrictions are in place.

This means on top of restrictions in alert level medium:

  • you must not socialise with anybody outside of your household or support bubble in any indoor setting, whether at home or in a public place
  • you must not socialise in a group of more than 6 outside, including in a garden or other spaces like beaches or parks (other than where specific exemptions apply
Posted above, which is from Gov UK, as earlier posted following

In Manchester, from wednesday can x6 meet in a private garden

and is that currently not allowed?

Two posters kindly replied, but i still couldnt understand if above

is correct understanding of both current & from Wednesday situation?
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Yes that’s right. Under the restrictions we’ve had in Greater Manchester since the end of July, we weren’t allowed to meet in private gardens. But now we are from Weds. Probably cos it’s mid October!!
 
blueinsa said:
Its the nuclear option isn't it. We close all land and sea borders and lockdown completely in the hope we can see the virus off but even that wont work and it wont see the virus off. Its here to stay and we will have to learn to live with it.

In the meantime can we please stop comparing apples with oranges so as to try and score political points because its utterly pointless. Where there are people, there will be infections and where we have that, some will very unfortunately die because of pre existing conditions that leave them unable to fight it.

We need a covid jab, masks, sanitised hands, social distancing and an acceptance of what we are up against here and that is nature and that the best thing we can do as a species is to live as fit and healthily as we can going forwards because im far more worried about getting Diabetes and Heart Disease than i am Covid.
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True, claiming Nz as some sort of covid triumph is like Sturgeon claiming to be a genius because of low covid numbers in the Highlands.
 
True_Blue69 said:
Piers Morgan made a great point this morning and it summed up this thread really. It was that during the course of the pandemic the public have been split into 2 self-righteous factions who both believe that they are right on this and cannot be changed. He pointed out that even the expert scientists cannot come to an agreement so how can any of the general public be so sure that they are right on this. Essentially there is no correct answer or solution so people need to come together rather than have this huge divide similar to what we saw with Brexit. I agree with this totally, all the blaming of other groups of people of people or judging for not wearing a mask when you don't know the background is damaging the spirit of the people to the point beyond repair I feel.
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he is having to tone down as he is about to get the sack as his viewing figures have fallen off a cliff.
 
True_Blue69 said:
even the expert scientists cannot come to an agreement
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This isn't really true. Of course, with a new virus, the scientific community is learning, and science is inherently driven by people testing new and sometimes controversial ideas.

But. On the main points, there is very strong scientific agreement. What disagreement there is has been deliberately inflated by right wing media and pressure groups (see Great Barrington declaration above).

Indeed, what's remarkable for covid is how little the scientific advice has changed from day 1.
 
blueinsa said:
No one has successfully eliminated the virus, no one.

Comparing countries with completely different demographics is pointless before you wheel out New Zealand as well. Its like me comparing Dumfries & Galloway and Greater Manchester and me saying we have done it right up here. New Zealand have social distanced and limited gatherings like we have. They also have a population density of 15 people per square KM where as we have 275.
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I haven’t seen people comparing England with New Zealand. Some people, including myself, have said New Zealand have done an excellent job with fantastic leadership. That’s a fact.

New Zealand has a fairly similar population density to Sweden btw. It’s very difficult to compare any 2 Countries for Covid response but some have clearly done better than others Demographics can help of course.
 
Tim of the Oak said:
I haven’t seen people comparing England with New Zealand. Some people, including myself, have said New Zealand have done an excellent job with fantastic leadership. That’s a fact.

New Zealand has a fairly similar population density to Sweden btw. It’s very difficult to compare any 2 Countries for Covid response but some have clearly done better than others Demographics can help of course.
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New Zealand is in an excellent position geographically and it's generally not a place a lot of people go to.

You only travel to New Zealand if you're travelling to New Zealand which isn't a lot of people. Here people travel into the UK and then travel to Europe (from the US) or they go from Europe to the US via the UK. We also get a massive number of visitors from Asia who stay and/or travel around Europe. Then you factor in UK travellers such as holidaymakers etc. It's a proper melting pot and recipe for disaster.

150 million people pass through Heathrow and Gatwick every single year. In New Zealand their busiest airport handles around 20 million, even Manchester Airport is far busier.

They also have far less people in a larger space and then when you add in a government that works far better (isn't split by party lines across 4 countries), can we be surprised that they've done well?

The better comparison is Australia but I think they were only very successful in controlling the pandemic because they closed their borders very early on and contained infections. Even today their borders remain closed whilst ours are still open with no requirement to even prove a negative PCR (though most visitors still have to self-isolate for 2 weeks).

Not closing the borders back in February/March was our biggest critical mistake and after that it was impossible to contain the spreading infection.
 
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Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
True, claiming Nz as some sort of covid triumph is like Sturgeon claiming to be a genius because of low covid numbers in the Highlands.
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23 people per square KM where i live compared to nearly 3500 per square km in Glasgow City. To be fair to her, communication has been excellent up here but make no mistake, whist she is clear, she still manages to deliver the exact same mixed messages as they flip and flip desperately trying to get it right.

An Impossible task.
 
jay_mcfc said:
Except they’re higher than they’ve ever been and he recently signed a new contract!
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course they are. He signed a contract pre covid and the ratio to bbc morning tv has widened to higher than ever before. The only reason more have tuned is is no bastad is communting to work. As a percentage he is far lower.
 
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inbetween said:
New Zealand is in an excellent position geographically and it's generally not a place a lot of people go to.

You only travel to New Zealand if you're travelling to New Zealand which isn't a lot of people. Here people travel into the UK and then travel to Europe (from the US) or they go from Europe to the US via the UK. We also get a massive number of visitors from Asia who stay and/or travel around Europe. Then you factor in UK travellers such as holidaymakers etc. It's a proper melting pot and recipe for disaster.

150 million people pass through Heathrow and Gatwick every single year. In New Zealand their busiest airport handles around 20 million, even Manchester Airport is far busier.

They also have far less people in a larger space and then when you add in a government that works far better (isn't split by party lines across 4 countries), can we be surprised that they've done well?

The better comparison is Australia but I think they were only very successful in controlling the pandemic because they closed their borders very early on and contained infections. Even today their borders remain closed whilst ours are still open with no requirement to even prove a negative PCR (though most visitors still have to self-isolate for 2 weeks).

Not closing the borders back in February/March was our biggest critical mistake and after that it was impossible to contain the spreading infection.
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1. When I went to New Zealand I neither went there from England or returned to England. New Zealand is popular with visitors btw.

2. in my previous post, I spell out that neither I nor other posters I have noted are making direct comparisons with England and New Zealand.

3. I think it’s up to the people who won’t give any credit tonNew Zealand for their Covid response need to understand their own bias. Demographic advantages only tell part of the answer.
 
Tricky_Trev said:
In tier 3, do both social and childcare bubbles not come into play at all? I have only just realised now that I am actually in tier 3. From the announcement I was left thinking it was just Liverpool city, but it also covers St Helens council area amongst others, which is where I fall under in Newton-le-Willows. So not sure what I can and can’t do in terms of childcare.

www.gov.uk

Liverpool City Region to move into 'very high' local COVID Alert Level following rise in coronavirus infections

From 14 October, Liverpool City Region will be placed onto the ‘Very High’ Local Covid Alert Level.
www.gov.uk www.gov.uk
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im in newton le willows too and im under the impression informal childcare is still ok
 
worsleyweb said:
he is having to tone down as he is about to get the sack as his viewing figures have fallen off a cliff.
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Not true but I’m sure he offends you by questioning those bunch of tossers in charge of of the country. Especially that slime ball Hancock.
 
blueinsa said:
Its the nuclear option isn't it. We close all land and sea borders and lockdown completely in the hope we can see the virus off but even that wont work and it wont see the virus off. Its here to stay and we will have to learn to live with it.

In the meantime can we please stop comparing apples with oranges so as to try and score political points because its utterly pointless. Where there are people, there will be infections and where we have that, some will very unfortunately die because of pre existing conditions that leave them unable to fight it.

We need a covid jab, masks, sanitised hands, social distancing and an acceptance of what we are up against here and that is nature and that the best thing we can do as a species is to live as fit and healthily as we can going forwards because im far more worried about getting Diabetes and Heart Disease than i am Covid.
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It’s not even the nuclear option though because as soon as someone somewhere eats a weasel or an owl, we will get probably get another virus.....
 
jay_mcfc said:
Except they’re higher than they’ve ever been and he recently signed a new contract!
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Depends who you believe as with most things

www.mirror.co.uk

Piers Morgan's swipe at Dan Walker and claims GMB had its best ratings ever

Piers Morgan has bragged that Tuesday's episode of Good Morning Britain had its highest ever ratings after he returned from his summer break
www.mirror.co.uk www.mirror.co.uk

order-order.com

GMB Lose 200,000 Viewers in June to BBC

The television industry's official BARB figures are out for June and Piers Morgan is not boasting about them, so you can guess how they went. Relative to
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Ratings for Piers Morgan GMB show ‘collapse’ according to survey

Piers Morgan has been one of the most vocal critics of the Government and it's handling of the Coronavirus outbreak. Now top political website Guido Fawkes reveals that contrary to Morgan's proclamations his viewing figures
unitynewsnetwork.co.uk unitynewsnetwork.co.uk
 
Covid tier 2

You can visit other areas where there are no tier 2 lockdowns
You can go on holiday both at home or abroad
Pubs can stay open until 10pm
Schools to stay open
You can travel to work

But you can't visit someone in their own house.

What a plan ehh?
 
mexico1970 said:
Covid tier 2

You can visit other areas where there are no tier 2 lockdowns
You can go on holiday both at home or abroad
Pubs can stay open until 10pm
Schools to stay open
You can travel to work

But you can't visit someone in their own house.

What a plan ehh?
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yes one backed by scientists and debated at high level. What would you do?
 
worsleyweb said:
yes one backed by scientists and debated at high level. What would you do?
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It's not a lockdown is it? If you live in a tier 2 area you can travel to a non tier 2 area and visit them in their house, what's practical about that?

Scientists completely disagree about everything, a lockdown should be just that, a lockdown surely?

They've even extended the visits in care homes and allowed people to touch their relatives while they visit, what can possibly go wrong there?
 
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