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Healdplace said:
Ref the question about Wigan's rise which I cannot find again to quote (sorry) it was the lowest in GM throughout the pandemic up to August. When it was left out of the GM lockdown because of its tiny numbers. Then Bolton went gaga. And I suspect half of Bolton went boozing in Wigan as it was near enough and unrestricted.

Does not explain why it has stayed up there and is doing worse than Bolton now. But it has a lot of infected areas ringing it and like Rossendale (enclircled by out of control towns and for a tiny borpugh tipped off a cliff suddenly) I think Wigan was partly a victim of geography.

As are we all really in a pandemic.
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Heard yesterday on radio 2 that taxis were taking people from Bolton to Wigan to go on the piss and Wigan taxi drivers were kicking off about fares.
Anyone think Manchester won’t be full of scousers this weekend is deluded, I stop trains from Friday afternoon
 
Table below shows weekly cases on left but is graded top (worst) to bottom (best) by the Pop score added up over those 7 days. As this is the measure used to define the status of a location in red, orange and green zones as the government create watch lists of places that may need special measures.

See the top 10 in that watch list in UK today in my post on page 6159 this afternoon.

Weekly Cases / Weekly Pop Score

1 Manchester 2565 // Pop 464

2 Wigan 1305 // Pop 422

3 Rochdale 926 // Pop 416

4 Oldham 912 // Pop 384

5 Bury 704 // Pop 369

6 Trafford 792 // Pop 335

7 Bolton 918 // Pop 319

8 Tameside 713 // Pop 315

9 Salford 953 // 309

10 Stockport 866 // 295
 
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We're really in a real mess with this now aren't we?

Think back over the last year - Johnson shaking hands with Covid patients, going late into the lockdown, saying they put a shield around care homes when in fact they sent infected people back, the PPE scandal, ordering the wrong PPE, not bothering to test early on, the top team getting covid, the Cummings affair, having a national lockdown whilst people strolled through our airports, the GCSE cock up and u turn, putting their mate Harding in charge of testing which she is plainly not capable of doing, the A level cock up and u turn, setting up 'eat out to help out' then within weeks looking at shutting down bars and restaurants, the mixed-up-muddled up messaging, sending freshers to university and get infected and spread the infection around towns and cities, the mobile app cock ups, the testing cock ups and disasters, traffic lights to tiers. Everything they've touched has been utterly shambolic, lethal and pretty much wrong. It's hard to imagine how any lay person could do such a bad job.

Genuinely, I had some sympathy for Johnson and Hancock at the start of the pandemic. However, they are an absolute disgrace and have shown themselves to be so far out of their depth it's a national disgrace and embarrassment. And I've not mentioned Brexit.

They've had MONTHS to sort out track and trace and it's still not functioning correctly. Even if Hancock told me it was sorted, I'd have absolutely no confidence he was telling the truth. He doesn't know what it looks like and neither do his sidekicks Johnson and Harding. It's a disgrace.

Unless we get the health emergency under some kind of control, the economy is not going to recover. It's absolutely that simple. It's a crisis of confidence now.

If we have a 'national lockdown' then it absolutely has to be used around half term and it absolutely has to be used to get track and trace fixed. Without it, there's no chance of any semblance of normality or economic recovery. We're just going to head into Christmas then next year with the same problem. There seems to be no end in sight and we cannot hope and pray that a vaccine just pops up. We have to get testing, tracing, isolating working NOW.

We have an emergency in the coming weeks and the government have lost the spirit of the people. If we don't get a grip on testing we'll end up with the same problem again at Christmas.
 
marco said:
Blackpool Victoria IC now full
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Not surprised, I really regret going there 4-5 weeks ago, just before the kids went back to schoo. It was sunny, packed & fun, but I was 1 in 100 (and that’s being generous) who actually had a mask on. I was getting stared at like I was an idiot. The pier & front was jammed.
 
Maybe has come time for martial law in terms of after 10pm curfew etc, no pussy footing about get the troops out and enforce things. Some might not like this but it’s for the greater good, the gobshites who think they own the world will soon drop into line. Before anyone says you can’t do that, well this is now a national emergency we are basically at war with a virus and if they think the way to beat it is to enforce the law then utilise the forces to do it.
 
andyhinch said:
Government to have a gold meeting ? tomorrow to discuss GM going to tier 3
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This is part of the problem isn't it - yesterday it wasn't a problem and now it is. Within 3 days we'll have created a tier system, put GM in as tier 2 then within less than 48 hours it could be tier 3.

The messaging has been an absolute mess and there will be plenty of pubs, restaurants, their staff, suppliers, supplier staff and other related services who can barely plan from one day to the other.
 
This war/demonisation of anyone who likes to have a drink is unusual if the data about transmission in hospitality is correct.

the mixed messaging perhaps no more mixed than in respect of hospitality too. Eat out to spread it about one minute, 10pm curfew and if we close you new job scheme not until 1st nov and you still need to pay your employees at least 1/3 with no income.

since the rule of 6 which was supposed to be a simplification there has been at least two further changes.

In less than two weeks time there will be another change, “tier 4 - severe”
 
andyhinch said:
Government to have a gold meeting ? tomorrow to discuss GM going to tier 3
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It’s an odd one. Positive tests in Manchester, Salford, Trafford already decreasing. Rate of increase in Lancashire coming down steadily.
I can only think it’s at Burnham‘s request as I think the council get twice as much per head whilst they’re in tier 3?
 
GoatersLeftShin said:
We're really in a real mess with this now aren't we?

Think back over the last year - Johnson shaking hands with Covid patients, going late into the lockdown, saying they put a shield around care homes when in fact they sent infected people back, the PPE scandal, ordering the wrong PPE, not bothering to test early on, the top team getting covid, the Cummings affair, having a national lockdown whilst people strolled through our airports, the GCSE cock up and u turn, putting their mate Harding in charge of testing which she is plainly not capable of doing, the A level cock up and u turn, setting up 'eat out to help out' then within weeks looking at shutting down bars and restaurants, the mixed-up-muddled up messaging, sending freshers to university and get infected and spread the infection around towns and cities, the mobile app cock ups, the testing cock ups and disasters, traffic lights to tiers. Everything they've touched has been utterly shambolic, lethal and pretty much wrong. It's hard to imagine how any lay person could do such a bad job.

Genuinely, I had some sympathy for Johnson and Hancock at the start of the pandemic. However, they are an absolute disgrace and have shown themselves to be so far out of their depth it's a national disgrace and embarrassment. And I've not mentioned Brexit.

They've had MONTHS to sort out track and trace and it's still not functioning correctly. Even if Hancock told me it was sorted, I'd have absolutely no confidence he was telling the truth. He doesn't know what it looks like and neither do his sidekicks Johnson and Harding. It's a disgrace.

Unless we get the health emergency under some kind of control, the economy is not going to recover. It's absolutely that simple. It's a crisis of confidence now.

If we have a 'national lockdown' then it absolutely has to be used around half term and it absolutely has to be used to get track and trace fixed. Without it, there's no chance of any semblance of normality or economic recovery. We're just going to head into Christmas then next year with the same problem. There seems to be no end in sight and we cannot hope and pray that a vaccine just pops up. We have to get testing, tracing, isolating working NOW.

We have an emergency in the coming weeks and the government have lost the spirit of the people. If we don't get a grip on testing we'll end up with the same problem again at Christmas.
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Just what I have been thinking. Totally out of their depth. Remind me of Ole... Problem is what's the alternative. Not Starmer imo. If I were the Tory grandees I'd be asking Ian Duncan Smith and Jeremy Hunt to step in then form a coalition of the best(I use that term loosely).
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
It’s an odd one. Positive tests in Manchester, Salford, Trafford already decreasing. Rate of increase in Lancashire coming down steadily.
I can only think it’s at Burnham‘s request as I think the council get twice as much per head whilst they’re in tier 3?
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I had dealings with Eyebrows Burnham when he was Health Secretary. A career politician with little sense whose main achievement has purely been his own advancement.
 
GoatersLeftShin said:
This is part of the problem isn't it - yesterday it wasn't a problem and now it is. Within 3 days we'll have created a tier system, put GM in as tier 2 then within less than 48 hours it could be tier 3.

The messaging has been an absolute mess and there will be plenty of pubs, restaurants, their staff, suppliers, supplier staff and other related services who can barely plan from one day to the other.
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They'll be adding a tier 4 next week....
 
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