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She says she will introduce a travel ban if it is necessary but police have advised how hard it would be to enforce and she wants people to do the right thing because it is the right thing.
 
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Tim of the Oak said:
I really think these Northern Mayors need to up their game on enforcement.
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Don't disagree that some better enforcement is needed, but the problem to be resolved is why restrictions aren't followed?
Could be any number of reasons, such as
- don't restrict my freedoms
- I need to get to the pub/shop/bookies/...
- it's all a hoax
- I don't care if I die
- I'm immune
- and so on

We need the mayors to provide leadership and encouragement to go with enforcement.
Just enforcement will just get more and more resistance.
 
'I have got things wrong in this pandemic. We all have.' Nicola adds. 'I would trade away all my approval ratings to get rid of Covid. Nothing else matters right now to me than taking the hard decisions I have to take. The more we can talk across the four nations the more clarity we bring to the message, she argues.
 
Nicola Sturgeon is not wrong. I have a friend in Wales who was stopped by police trying to cross a bridge going to her local supermarket as it was across county lines with almost identical rates to her home town. But police have no power to stop anyone from Liverpool driving into North Wales where the rates are many many times higher. All they can do is ask them politely to go home.

We DO need a national strategy as a virus has no interest in borders.
 
Healdplace said:
There surely can be no question now what the UK has to do. Anyone not seeing this needs to look again at what is very very clear to me in data like this.
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The only thing I would say is that in Glasgow and Lanarkshire, household visits have been banned for nearly 6 weeks now but still the cases are rising to alarming levels. Is there a genuine suggestion to be made that these restrictions are not the answer, and don't serve the purpose of which they are intended?
 
worsleyweb said:
Boris speaking sense no need for national lockdown as some areas not that bad. Tier system seems sensible and a better balanced approach. Can always be stepped up if need be.
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I agree. We forget that large areas of the U.K. are not in the same position as the NW. Not a lot of point bringing in a tier system and not at least giving it some time. But I think most large cities will end up in Very High tier.
 
Healdplace said:
We are now at a big tipping point. Denial and delay has already cost us.

There should be an emergency meeting of the whole UK today and instant decisions on rapid action (belated as they are).

Nicola Sturgeon just now is citing figures for Blackpool (Scottish people go there a lot) and advising people it is THE place where over past weeks that Scottish people have travelled before catching Covid.

Please do not go to Blackpool she says. Do not go in pubs there (or elsewhere) to watch the Rangers/Celtic match this weekend.

But, Blackpool - of course - was EXCLUDED by the government initially from the rest of Lancashire restrictions.

Go figure.
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Boris looking to get rid of a few jocks? ;)
 
ayrshire_blue said:
The only thing I would say is that in Glasgow and Lanarkshire, household visits have been banned for nearly 6 weeks now but still the cases are rising to alarming levels. Is there a genuine suggestion to be made that these restrictions are not the answer, and don't serve the purpose of which they are intended?
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what's the answer then? Is it enforcement? Because where else do you really go?
 
are we now starting to see years of political process - particularly the blame shifting, excuses and total lack of personal responsibility shown by a large majority of ministers and MPs of many persuasion - reflected in society at large now the shit hits the fan? Is the political process a product of the nation or are some of the nation not giving a fuck because those with some power and responsibility simply have never put their hands up and taken it?

im not excusing those taking the piss, just wondering where this can come from
 
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PannickAtTheDisco said:
what's the answer then? Is it enforcement? Because where else do you really go?
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This is indeed a huge dilemma. Democracy needs consent in times of chaos. Autocracy can and will impose a rapid route to success.

How do we strike a balance when lives are at stake? A very hard question to answer. But one that might result in autocratic nations emerging from the pandemic first and becoming stronger in the coming years versus those who chose to retain liberties and not do deeply unreasonable things that we will never rightly do like test vaccines on criminals or soldiers.

But if those vaccines work and empowers regimes without democracy in the long run who wins and who loses?

We are facing a lot of big ethical dilemmas in coming months I fear that may change the world forever.

Note how the UAE are buying the Sputnik vaccine from Russia. They are not waiting to save their economy for one that was tested more ethically. I suspect they will not be the only place to do so.

We will not consider this and I am not advocating that we should cut corners here either. Just pointing out that ethical democracy fights a war (and this is a war for the human race) at a disadvantage.

RIght or wrong is not as easy to define in these strange times.
 
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The government were warned by scientists - Professors and Sirs - three weeks ago and haven't done anything useful. We're now being told hospitals are close to being full and it's barely the middle of October. The flu season hasn't started and neither has it started to get icy when we know people have falls.

The government are not in control anymore and it's moot as to what they can meaningfully do now. If they are wondering why this is the case, think back to the day when in the middle of lockdown one of their own drove his kids about to apparently test his own eyes.

I actually believe Johnson won't have a national lockdown. Instead we will have a lock down across England, Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland apart from in the middle of Dartmoor, the middle of the Forest of Bowland and on Saddleworth moors. It will be a national lockdown in all but name.

There will be a stricter lockdown and it will have to coincide with half term. If he is not careful he will have to "cancel Christmas" this year and that's almost certain to put the final kick into many retailers, bars, cafes and the rest. And we've not had Brexit yet.

He is finished.
 
PannickAtTheDisco said:
No, I don't think it's ok, but I don't think outbreaks of pneumonia will help. Deal with them in a dry manner by all means.
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Tazers?

My remark about hosing them down was a bit light hearted but an indication of my feeling about thesr people who are selfishly spreading it. I think we are almost on the same page.
 
GoatersLeftShin said:
The government were warned by scientists - Professors and Sirs - three weeks ago and haven't done anything useful. We're now being told hospitals are close to being full and it's barely the middle of October. The flu season hasn't started and neither has it started to get icy when we know people have falls.

The government are not in control anymore and it's moot as to what they can meaningfully do now. If they are wondering why this is the case, think back to the day when in the middle of lockdown one of their own drove his kids about to apparently test his own eyes.

I actually believe Johnson won't have a national lockdown. Instead we will have a lock down across England, Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland apart from in the middle of Dartmoor, the middle of the Forest of Bowland and on Saddleworth moors. It will be a national lockdown in all but name.

There will be a stricter lockdown and it will have to coincide with half term. If he is not careful he will have to "cancel Christmas" this year and that's almost certain to put the final kick into many retailers, bars, cafes and the rest. And we've not had Brexit yet.

He is finished.
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Which hospitals are almost full?
 
Birmingham admitting self testing kits were handed out yesterday to locals AFTER they had been used by someone else!

A mistake but one that rather sums up our awful mess of a testing regime.
 
GoatersLeftShin said:
The government were warned by scientists - Professors and Sirs - three weeks ago and haven't done anything useful. We're now being told hospitals are close to being full and it's barely the middle of October. The flu season hasn't started and neither has it started to get icy when we know people have falls.

The government are not in control anymore and it's moot as to what they can meaningfully do now. If they are wondering why this is the case, think back to the day when in the middle of lockdown one of their own drove his kids about to apparently test his own eyes.

I actually believe Johnson won't have a national lockdown. Instead we will have a lock down across England, Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland apart from in the middle of Dartmoor, the middle of the Forest of Bowland and on Saddleworth moors. It will be a national lockdown in all but name.

There will be a stricter lockdown and it will have to coincide with half term. If he is not careful he will have to "cancel Christmas" this year and that's almost certain to put the final kick into many retailers, bars, cafes and the rest. And we've not had Brexit yet.

He is finished.
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why do areas with low inceidnece need a national lock down. Have you read the start of the sage report? It is written purely as what is the best way to stop covid not what is in the best interest of the country.
 
PannickAtTheDisco said:
what's the answer then? Is it enforcement? Because where else do you really go?
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I have absolutely no idea mate. If they had shown signs of working in Glasgow and the likes by now then yeah, I'd be all for it. But it's still accelerating, and that's after 6 weeks. I've no idea how we stop this thing but from what I'm seeing up here, household meeting bans don't seem to be the answer.
 
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