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That is what is being paid to test and trace consultants .

And before you say its lefty propaganda its in the Daily fucking Heil.

This is an absolute disgrace and it shows that outsourcing to the private sector is just a way of funnelling taxpayers money to Tory party donors. Taking of taxpayers what's happened to the Taxpayers Alliance they should be all over this surely. the fucking bent cunts.

How anyone can support that fucking clown Johnson after this is beyond me, they are using an epidemic to enrich themselves, the immoral set of bastards. By God I hate fucking hate every single one of them, the self serving twats.
 
Its a disgrace but lets not even start to pretend that private contractors wouldn't be getting paid similar and making a killing off the back of this crises regardless of the Government.

That isn't whataboutism before some clever arse claims it, its just fact.

If nepotism and corruption in the awarding of the contracts can be proven then lets charge accordingly and take the corrupt fuckers to the cleaners but numbers like this wont be anything out of the ordinary and if the general public knew just how much money is washing around for a select few on a daily basis, we would probably be ringing our French friends and asking to borrow a few Guillotines.
 
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blueinsa said:
Its a disgrace but lets not even start to pretend that private contractors wouldn't be getting paid similar and making a killing off the back of this crises regardless of the Government.

That isn't whataboutism before some clever arse claims it, its just fact.
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Its what the Government are paying private contractors. Rather than use PHE and local expertise they employed SERCO and Boston Consulting Group. If they were doing a decent job then there might be a case for it but last week 16,000 tests went missing, there is not enough capacity and 32,000 contacts of covid affected patients went untraced. A further 17,000 were not reached within 24 hours. 8,800 of those tested positive were not traced at all.

There are also more than 1000 consultants at Deloittes working on it being paid as much as £2,360 per day.

This a fucking national scandal, taxpayers money being thrown down the drain
 
Rascal said:
Its what the Government are paying private contractors. Rather than use PHE and local expertise they employed SERCO and Boston Consulting Group. If they were doing a decent job then there might be a case for it but last week 16,000 tests went missing, there is not enough capacity and 32,000 contacts of covid affected patients went untraced. A further 17,000 were not reached within 24 hours. 8,800 of those tested positive were not traced at all.

There are also more than 1000 consultants at Deloittes working on it being paid as much as £2,360 per day.

This a fucking national scandal, taxpayers money being thrown down the drain
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I completely agree mate. We are telling UK citizens who scrape by on minimum wage that they cant work but dont worry, we will give you 2/3 d's of what is already an amount that you simply can not live on comfortably whilst dishing amounts out like this to a select few.

My point is not that its right though mate because it isn't, its how the world is. Its unfair, its wrong but make no mistake, regardless of government some fuckers would be making the same killing during the crises of the back of the misery of millions.

"Its not what you know, its who you know"
 
Rascal said:
Its what the Government are paying private contractors. Rather than use PHE and local expertise they employed SERCO and Boston Consulting Group. If they were doing a decent job then there might be a case for it but last week 16,000 tests went missing, there is not enough capacity and 32,000 contacts of covid affected patients went untraced. A further 17,000 were not reached within 24 hours. 8,800 of those tested positive were not traced at all.

There are also more than 1000 consultants at Deloittes working on it being paid as much as £2,360 per day.

This a fucking national scandal, taxpayers money being thrown down the drain
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Yet Rishi Sunak won’t continue the furlough scheme to protect people’s jobs because he believes British “taxpayers don’t want us to pay people for not working” (or some similar comment).

Think he needs to revise that viewpoint because we’re paying for a track and trace service that time and again, is shown to not be working!

Even if they can justify not continuing the furlough scheme, what’s the rationale for ignoring the need to provide free school meals to kids - who through no fault of theirs, are in poverty?

It’s all about ideological choices.
 
If it was only a handful of people and they were producing fantastic results then I'd say that's a bargain. But it's not a handful and they are fucking shite, so it's just typical fucking corruption that is constantly going on with these government gigs
 
Maybe if we paid £15k we’d have got some decent ones. Always trying to do things on the cheap, that’s our problem........
 
A shepherd was herding his flock in a remote pasture when suddenly a brand-new BMW advanced out of the dust cloud towards him. The driver, a young man in a bespoke suit, Gucci shoes and Ray Bans leaned out the window and asked the shepherd. "If I tell you exactly how many sheep you have in your flock, will you give me one of them?" The shepherd looked at the man, then looked at his peacefully grazing flock and calmly answered "yes".

The young man parked his car, whipped out his IBM ThinkPad and connected it to his iPhone X, linked to a NASA page calling up a GPS satellite navigation system, scanned the area, and then opened up a database and an Excel spreadsheet with complex formulas. He sent an email and, after a few seconds, received a reply. Finally, he printed out a 130-page report on his miniaturized printer.

He turns to the shepherd and says, "You have exactly 1586 sheep. "That is correct; take one of the sheep." said the shepherd. He watches the young man select one of the animals and bundle it into his car.

Then the shepherd says: "If I can tell you exactly what your business is, will you give me back my animal?", "OK, why not." answered the young man. "Clearly, you are a consultant." said the shepherd. "That's correct." says the young man "but how did you guess that?"

"No guessing required." answers the shepherd. "You turned up here although nobody called you. You want to get paid for an answer I already knew, to a question I never asked, and you don't know fuck all about my business. Now give me back my dog."
 
blueinsa said:
Its a disgrace but lets not even start to pretend that private contractors wouldn't be getting paid similar and making a killing off the back of this crises regardless of the Government.

That isn't whataboutism before some clever arse claims it, its just fact.

If nepotism and corruption in the awarding of the contracts can be proven then lets charge accordingly and take the corrupt fuckers to the cleaners but numbers like this wont be anything out of the ordinary and if the general public knew just how much money is washing around for a select few on a daily basis, we would probably be ringing our French friends and asking to borrow a few Guillotines.
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Your usual argument mate.
'They're all the same so no-one's to blame ' ( especially in your case the Tories ).
Wake up.
Smell it.
 
TheRemainsOfTheDave said:
Are these actual pay rates to the consultants or consultancy fees? Not the same thing.
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I believe it is the fee for a single consultant for a day as there is no way the internal pay structure of the company involved would be public. I don't see what difference it makes, it's the amount that the government is paying for a days consultancy from a consultant working on a project that isn't going very well (to say the least). And it's frankly ridiculous.
 
Rascal said:
Its what the Government are paying private contractors. Rather than use PHE and local expertise they employed SERCO and Boston Consulting Group. If they were doing a decent job then there might be a case for it but last week 16,000 tests went missing, there is not enough capacity and 32,000 contacts of covid affected patients went untraced. A further 17,000 were not reached within 24 hours. 8,800 of those tested positive were not traced at all.

There are also more than 1000 consultants at Deloittes working on it being paid as much as £2,360 per day.

This a fucking national scandal, taxpayers money being thrown down the drain
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This is normal with public procurement, 99% of the money will goto consultancies whether private or not.

It's like trying to develop a new car with a £1,000 budget and you spend a tenner on development with the remaining £990 spent on marketing. This often happens because some consultant reckoned that this will make the most money which might end up as true but your cars would still be shite.

There is an argument to turn this in-house to save those costs but the civil service has zero capacity to do it. So we are left with the current system which is driven by the cost balance with only pennies going to actual tangible things. Billions and billions are spent for example in the NHS on things that contribute nothing to healthcare.

It really wouldn't surprise me if they spent 99% of the money on a consultancy which explained the 'dynamics' of what's needed but you need to pay us more to develop the idea etc... And then eventually they came to the conclusion that they had to use the £100 left to get some fella to make an app.

It is no surprise that the 'leading' consultancies are also leading accounting firms... Go figure.
 
chedlee said:
I believe it is the fee for a single consultant for a day as there is no way the internal pay structure of the company involved would be public. I don't see what difference it makes, it's the amount that the government is paying for a days consultancy from a consultant working on a project that isn't going very well (to say the least). And it's frankly ridiculous.
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The consultant might be paid by the consultancy they work for and they may be an employee of that consultant on, say £100k pa, or a temp on say £800 per day. These rates aren't extraordinary for London, if that's where they are based. The rest of the £7k goes to the consultancy firm (E&Y, PwC etc). There's still a dearth of talent and NHS experience in data/business analysis and that arena and pay rates are set to attract people. I recall seeing rates from a consultancy doing work for the NHS of £1500 per day in Manchester going back 15 years ago, and that was for a planned project (i.e. very little urgency). Not saying I agree but I can easily see how the government has struggled to find the necessary knowledge, availability and willingness from a consultancy and been forced to go this route.

Back 15 years ago, I remember suggesting the NHS set up an in-house consultancy firm paying market rates to stop the talent moving out of the industry. I couldn't progress within the organisation beyond band 7 (£35k ish at the time) because I had no degree, but now I run my own data business. That's why there's not enough in-house talent in the NHS.
 
Rascal said:
The story says its day rates, so I assume that is the actual pay not a fee.
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Ernst & Young, Pwc etc will have a price list for each of their consultants I'm guessing. Junior data entry at £500 /day, exp Bus Analysts at £1000 /day, directors at £1500 /day that sort of thing. I've never seen actual pay rates advertised at more than £1250 /day, so reckon it's the consultancy company rate not the consultant/contractor day rate. If I'm wrong I completely agree with you, it would be madness. I'd do it for half that.
 
Absolute ridiculous corruption that goes unchallenged. If this was France they would be fucking rioting in the streets. I always find it amusing how people of this country fail to see how blatantly corrupt it is.

Its the same game with the NHS. They spend billions on consultants that know fuck all about health care only to be told what any working Dr of nurse could have told them in the first place.
 
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