remember arthur mann
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£7,360 per day.
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I believe it is the fee for a single consultant for a day as there is no way the internal pay structure of the company involved would be public. I don't see what difference it makes, it's the amount that the government is paying for a days consultancy from a consultant working on a project that isn't going very well (to say the least). And it's frankly ridiculous.Are these actual pay rates to the consultants or consultancy fees? Not the same thing.
This is normal with public procurement, 99% of the money will goto consultancies whether private or not.Its what the Government are paying private contractors. Rather than use PHE and local expertise they employed SERCO and Boston Consulting Group. If they were doing a decent job then there might be a case for it but last week 16,000 tests went missing, there is not enough capacity and 32,000 contacts of covid affected patients went untraced. A further 17,000 were not reached within 24 hours. 8,800 of those tested positive were not traced at all.
There are also more than 1000 consultants at Deloittes working on it being paid as much as £2,360 per day.
This a fucking national scandal, taxpayers money being thrown down the drain
It's like trying to develop a new car with a £1,000 budget and you spend a tenner on development with the remaining £990 spent on marketing. This often happens because some consultant reckoned that this will make the most money which might end up as true but your cars would still be shite.
There is an argument to turn this in-house to save those costs but the civil service has zero capacity to do it. So we are left with the current system which is driven by the cost balance with only pennies going to actual tangible things. Billions and billions are spent for example in the NHS on things that contribute nothing to healthcare.
It really wouldn't surprise me if they spent 99% of the money on a consultancy which explained the 'dynamics' of what's needed but you need to pay us more to develop the idea etc... And then eventually they came to the conclusion that they had to use the £100 left to get some fella to make an app.
It is no surprise that the 'leading' consultancies are also leading accounting firms... Go figure.
Rascal
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The story says its day rates, so I assume that is the actual pay not a fee.Are these actual pay rates to the consultants or consultancy fees? Not the same thing.
Rascal
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Such as.Billions and billions are spent for example in the NHS on things that contribute nothing to healthcare.
TheRemainsOfTheDave
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The consultant might be paid by the consultancy they work for and they may be an employee of that consultant on, say £100k pa, or a temp on say £800 per day. These rates aren't extraordinary for London, if that's where they are based. The rest of the £7k goes to the consultancy firm (E&Y, PwC etc). There's still a dearth of talent and NHS experience in data/business analysis and that arena and pay rates are set to attract people. I recall seeing rates from a consultancy doing work for the NHS of £1500 per day in Manchester going back 15 years ago, and that was for a planned project (i.e. very little urgency). Not saying I agree but I can easily see how the government has struggled to find the necessary knowledge, availability and willingness from a consultancy and been forced to go this route.I believe it is the fee for a single consultant for a day as there is no way the internal pay structure of the company involved would be public. I don't see what difference it makes, it's the amount that the government is paying for a days consultancy from a consultant working on a project that isn't going very well (to say the least). And it's frankly ridiculous.
Back 15 years ago, I remember suggesting the NHS set up an in-house consultancy firm paying market rates to stop the talent moving out of the industry. I couldn't progress within the organisation beyond band 7 (£35k ish at the time) because I had no degree, but now I run my own data business. That's why there's not enough in-house talent in the NHS.
TheRemainsOfTheDave
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Ernst & Young, Pwc etc will have a price list for each of their consultants I'm guessing. Junior data entry at £500 /day, exp Bus Analysts at £1000 /day, directors at £1500 /day that sort of thing. I've never seen actual pay rates advertised at more than £1250 /day, so reckon it's the consultancy company rate not the consultant/contractor day rate. If I'm wrong I completely agree with you, it would be madness. I'd do it for half that.The story says its day rates, so I assume that is the actual pay not a fee.
Vicious111
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Absolute ridiculous corruption that goes unchallenged. If this was France they would be fucking rioting in the streets. I always find it amusing how people of this country fail to see how blatantly corrupt it is.
Its the same game with the NHS. They spend billions on consultants that know fuck all about health care only to be told what any working Dr of nurse could have told them in the first place.
Its the same game with the NHS. They spend billions on consultants that know fuck all about health care only to be told what any working Dr of nurse could have told them in the first place.
bluethrunthru
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Blueinsa would watch the world burn if he could still have his tory government.Your usual argument mate.
'They're all the same so no-one's to blame ' ( especially in your case the Tories ).
Wake up.
Smell it.