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Chippy_boy said:
I'm not normally particularly hostile to Andy Burnham, but I have to say his position on all of this is puzzling to say the least. On Question Time last week he was passionately arguing for the ability to set - and to be held accountable for - local policies. Then this week he was saying it needs a national, coordinated and consistent approach. And now he's back to saying he wants to do his own thing.
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I know this isn’t the thread for politics but Burnham’s a “returned empty” politician who has always twisted in the wind.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
Credit to Boris, just talking about a lockdown seems to be enough!!


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Im not sure we can reliably read a result into that graph yet. the spike mid Sept was when there were problems getting tests and the app wasn't working yet.

the test issue seem to have been fixed and now the app is "working" people have another route to the tests which may have resulted in less calls to 111.

actual hospitalisations have not followed this pattern.

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roubaixtuesday said:
Can anyone explain the significance of these figures? Clearly transmission and hospitalisation has continued to rise, so why the drop in triage? Was the second peak just associated with the inability to get tested mid Sept? Or something else?
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It sort of suggests that a month ago there was a big upswing (schools and universities) and then possibly a few grandparents looking after their grandchildren.
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
Burnham is starting to play to the crowd now. I think politicians from all parties have let us down badly. It's a failure of our systems and infrastructure. He is right about localising track and trace though. Public health experts have been saying his since March.
To be honest Tier 3 or a nationwide circuit breaker are much the same. What happens if the circuit breaker doesn't work after two weeks for example. The only way out of this is to sort the testing and tracing or a vaccine. I am ashamed of the way this country has handled this crisis.
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Bollox to a national circuit breaker. Areas with the worst figures and biggest proportions of deniers should bear the brunt and learn a few lessons. Why should the rest of us have restrictions forced upon us by stupid cnuts like those we saw the other night in Liverpool?
 
Burnham is bang on.
These Westminster twats want to treat the north like a Guinea pig whilst looking after there own country, London.
Steadfastly refuse to do anything them arse holes ask us to do anymore.
Postcode lottery with London being given preferential treatment. Fuck that.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
Hospitalisations are 2/3 weeks behind symptoms and we are testing thousands without any symptoms, so that lag could be up to 4 weeks now, I’d imagine.
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It makes no sense to have had a peak 4 weeks ago then back down when tests and hospitalisations are consistently up over the same period.

Must be something else going on.
 
Greater Manchester is up quite a bit today but mostly explained by that weird Wigan number yesterday which WAS as I suspected then too good to be true given the claimed by the data fall fron 250 to 90 in one day.

By looking at the Pop score info today it is clear that it should have been 190 then not 90 yesterday so 100 was added today to the GM total to make up.

I have readjusted it back to yesterday to take account because Wigan is bad enough today and with this error (no idea who made it) Wigan today would be level with Manchester which is equally obviously absurd).

So yesterdays GM total was really 1515 not 1415.

Today's total is 1619. The highest in over a week so pro rata it was a bad day today.

That does mean yesterday was 40.6% of the NW total but today is back under 40% at 38.1%

I dread to think what Merseyside is today as GMs numbers are nothing like as bad as Merseyside. So there is fuel in the data for Andy Burnham to argue difference as you will see.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
It makes no sense to have had a peak 4 weeks ago then back down when tests and hospitalisations are consistently up over the same period.

Must be something else going on.
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I honestly think this graph is skewed. When people failed to get tests online they phoned 111 to get one or discuss options.

Since the web got slowly fixed and app introduced it allowed other routes to the tests and info so the calls to 111 dropped off.
 
sir baconface said:
Areas with the highest and rising figures.
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The point some of us have been making is that the figures for GM have actually been falling over the past few days. If they were still rising day by day with no sign of hitting a peak then it would obviously be difficult to argue against putting us in tier 3, but it seems to me that the peak has been reached and we’re now on a gradual downward trajectory.
 
M18CTID said:
The point some of us have been making is that the figures for GM have actually been falling over the past few days. If they were still rising day by day with no sign of hitting a peak then it would obviously be difficult to argue against putting us in tier 3, but it seems to me that the peak has been reached and we’re now on a gradual downward trajectory.
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So do you believe that to carry on as is would be enough?
 
GM highlights:

Wigan back over 200 (data says over 300 but thats yesterdays cock up). But rest of GM pretty much back to normal levels and the old order with both Trafford and Stockport down at the base of numbers and most of the rest packed together below the 'giants' of Manchester and Wigan.

Manchester much the same as it was. Well below Liverpool that on its own had double Manchester's cases at a new high of 625 and a giant Pop score rise of 125 to 2692 - worse than everywhere in GM now after being below most 2 weeks ago - and rising nearly 900 in 9 days.

Far above what anywhere in Greater Manchester has in the same period.

Nor is it alone on Merseyside. Knowsley also had its worst day - 184 cases - which as a small borough meant a Pop Score up 122 in one day to a new record high for the entire UK and way in front of everywhere else - a pop score of 2861. That is a rise of well over 600 in the past week too. So it will surely be the first to reach a 3000 pop score over next day or two it seems.

I have not checked other Merseyside numbers but these two alone show Merseyside is clearly in a far worse mess cases wise than Greater Manchester as we speak.
 
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