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Scottish data up first as usual. And bad again sadly.

17 deaths

1712 cases

At 19.8 % (9.2% on new measure)

584 in Greater Glasgow 457 in Lanarkshire 192 in Lothian and 151 in Ayrshire

928 People in hospital (up 55 )

74 On icu ventilator beds (up 1 )
 
Healdplace said:
Scottish data up first as usual. And bad again sadly.
deaths

17 cases

At 19.8 % (9.2% on new measure)

584 in Greater Glasgow 457 in Lanarkshire 192 in Lothian and 151 in Ayrshire

928 People in hospital (up 55 )

74 On icu ventilator beds (up 1 )
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Depressing. Not seeing that plateau which Stuegeon has spoke about? I know there were cases catching up from Sunday but I assumed by today we'd get a more realistic figure. If that's the case, it's much higher than I'd hoped.
 
2 wks ago v last wk v today in Scotland:

5 d v 13 d v 17 d

cases 1027 v 1351 v 1712

% positive 13.5 v 17.6 v 19.8

In hospital 377 v 601 v 928

Ventilators 31 v 51 v 74
 
PannickAtTheDisco said:
same thing. Money talks, and they'll want returns, both in a vaccine and a long-term customer base.
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You've misunderstood entirely.

Throwing money at the trials (preparing ahead before previous phase is positive, using more clinical centres to drive recruitment etc) is what speeds it up.

In terms of money, these vaccine programmes are not that significant to the bottom line of big pharma, even if you choose not to believe their promises to provide at low or no profit (and I'd understand cynicism on that front).

And long term customer base? How would that be helped by bypassing safety?
 
Only a 70% increase in cases over two weeks is slightly promising as it is still a rise but not a rapid one - and deaths not rising quite so fast this week as they might given the recent jump into double figutres - but I agree there is little ground for over optomism given the hospital data is still rising at around 50% a week up - just as it is across England. So it is too early to say any corner has been turned.

I am a little baffled by the posts in here over the past day suggesting progress and numbers going down - as they are 5 days old numbers about places like the North East and they were certainly not going down yesterday as they had a record high.

Or Fallowfield and Rusholme in the chart posted above - where that drop is very obviously the fall after the high student population in those areas which created that big Manchester number of over 1000 one day and has indeed now reduced. But in the days since (the 'accurate figures from the actual day of test) the data in Manchester has had numbers up from the low 300s then to 403, 460, 379 and 501. Which does not look like a reduction. Unless redistribution changes things a lot. As it might but we will not know for a few days.

I know the argument about older data being more precise but I would not just be trusting week old trends that it is revealing and making decisions based on them.

Though I dearly hope I am wrong to be so wary of those thinking this is not looking as bad as it seems. But to me it still seems to be at that tipping point.
 
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Yeah, don't disagree with you but was more meaning with regards to the daily case numbers. They've maybe slowed the increase slightly but still going quite fast in the wrong direction. At this stage it's too early to say what kind of number they will peak at, I had hoped we were getting there given the comments over past couple of days but now I'm not so sure.
 
Nicola Sturgeon being asked now how to reassure kids that Santa will still appear in grottos though he is planning to do so via Zoom this year!

Nicola: Santa has magic powers. He will still be delivering your presents at Christmas. He is appearing in grottos by Zoom to keep YOU safe.

Way to think on your feet!

She added she cannot believe she is having to issue guidance on how to act on Halloween either.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
You've misunderstood entirely.

Throwing money at the trials (preparing ahead before previous phase is positive, using more clinical centres to drive recruitment etc) is what speeds it up.

In terms of money, these vaccine programmes are not that significant to the bottom line of big pharma, even if you choose not to believe their promises to provide at low or no profit (and I'd understand cynicism on that front).

And long term customer base? How would that be helped by bypassing safety?
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positive feedback loop, we have a ton of vaccines we've spent money on so we need them to work. Simple psychology and therefore a willingness to justify or overlook especially long-term health impacts that can't be monitored if the vaccine is already in circulation before the raw data is in.

long term customer base, sell all their other products that are needed to treat damaged vaccine users because the long-term effects on the body aren't known.
 
Healdplace said:
Only a 70% increase in cases over two weeks is slightly promising as it is still a rise but not a rapid one - and deaths not rising quite so fast this week as they might given the recent jump into double figutres - but I agree there is little ground for over optomism given the hospital data is still rising at around 50% a week up - just as it is across England. So it is too early to say any corner has been turned.

I am a little baffled by the posts in here over the past day suggesting progress and numbers going down - as they are 5 days old numbers about places like the North East and they were certainly not going down yesterday as they had a record high.

Or Fallowfield and Rusholme in the chart posted above - where that drop is very obviously the fall after the high student population in those areas which created that big Manchester number of over 1000 one day and has indeed now reduced. But in the days since (the 'accurate figures from the actual day of test) the data in Manchester has had numbers up from the low 300s then to 403, 460, 379 and 501. Which does not look like a reduction. Unless redistribution changes things a lot. As it might but we will not know for a few days.

I know the argument about older data being more precise but I would not just be trusting week old trends that it is revealing and making decisions based on them.

Though I dearly hope I am wrong to be so wary of those thinking this is not looking as bad as it seems. But to me it still seems to be at that tipping point.
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The optimism is only based on known data. As you are well aware, figures produced as ‘reported today’ are completely useless and serve only to drive hysteria and fear.
For example here are the trends in the like-for-like 5-day reporting total for the last month & since April. 7-day average now at 68.6 (on 16 Oct) compared to 644 at the peak in April.

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PannickAtTheDisco said:
positive feedback loop, we have a ton of vaccines we've spent money on so we need them to work. Simple psychology and therefore a willingness to justify or overlook especially long-term health impacts that can't be monitored if the vaccine is already in circulation before the raw data is in.

long term customer base, sell all their other products that are needed to treat damaged vaccine users because the long-term effects on the body aren't known.
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And the earth is flat.
 
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