Pep's contract situation | 2 year extension confirmed! (pg1817)

roy.or.r said:
Since you are so hung up on managers who have won trophies, maybe you would like Mourinho to succeed Pep? After all he is one of the most successful managers around.
roy.or.r said:
If you consider a post giving an opinion on Poch being a popular choice, leads you to assume I am "hung up on managers who have won trophies" you are mistaken and maybe should just read the words written without prejudice, it was an opinion on Poch. Since you asked I would not like Mourinho to succeed Pep. I doubt he has been or would be considered by City, I don't think he fits in with the City philosophy and ethos. Maybe you know otherwise. Khaldoon has stated many times what City look for in terms of future employees, I expect their policy will not change when considering Pep's replacement.
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But your whole argument against hiring Poch has been his lack of trophies. That's exactly what you said. "He has won 4 PL Manager of the Month awards between 2013 and 2017 and absolutely nothing else." These are your words, not mine. So clearly you value trophies over philosophy. Poch's philosohpy is very close to ours. So which is it? @samarasra
 
greasedupdeafguy said:
Comparison to Di Matteo is pretty pointless, done nothing in management since the CL victory. Pochetinno also did an excellent on a small budget at Southampton and Espanyol. Despite spending a lot less than his rivals he still managed a champions league final and four consecutive top 4 finishes. I would say his reputation is perfectly justified. He does need to win a trophy soon in his next job though.
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The comparison with Di Matteo was simply agreeing your point about context and I know his record. The point was Di Matteo winning 2 major trophies in 4 months does not make him a better manager than Poch, that is why I used his name as an example. I agree in general with you, and would be reasonably happy to see how he would do at City but I still feel his reputation is at least somewhat over hyped.
 
roy.or.r said:
But your whole argument against hiring Poch has been his lack of trophies. That's exactly what you said. "He has won 4 PL Manager of the Month awards between 2013 and 2017 and absolutely nothing else." These are your words, not mine. So clearly you value trophies over philosophy. Poch's philosohpy is very close to ours. So which is it? @samarasra
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"Pochettino seems to be a popular choice but I cannot understand why." That is a straightforward open minded expression of opinion. I am not arguing against him, simply raising the question as to why he is such a popular choice. There are many other managers with excellent reputations, and various levels of experience and achievement who would fit into City's stated philosophy. I stated a fact, that is what he has won. " your whole argument against hiring Poch has been his lack of trophies." NO and no I am not arguing against him and I am stating his lack of trophies as a fact because it is, there are many other considerations, and wondering why he is a popular choice compared to other candidates. Clearly you have no idea what my values are, "clearly you value trophies over philosophy" that is such an ignorant presumptuous and arrogant comment to make on someone you know nothing about. I have been a City fan since 1967 and if I " value trophies over philosophy" clearly I have been with the wrong club for the majority of the past 53 years. Since when has competing to win trophies not been at least one part of City's philosophy.
 
nimrod said:
I take it you're his mate as you're fighting his battles so to speak ....I think you need to read it again he is saying that when anybody criticises pep or the club it pisses him off big time and makes him mad, maybe he loses sleep over it, well what is he doing on a forum then if he is too much of a snowflake to accept that people are entitled to get pissed off and voice their opinions (which are not my opinions btw)
Or is he the forum police ?
Name calling and generally insulting anyone who has the audacity to critique Pep or the players.
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"I take it you're his mate as you're fighting his battles so to speak " Seriously ?? Am I your mate when I "like" a point you make? no and no I am not "his mate" and it appears he/she is well capable of speaking without backup. I have no idea who Zinmanc is, I am responding to a post he/she made in reply to which you wrongly stated that he/she said something that was never said in the post. "So are you saying people on bluemoon shouldn't criticize Pep or the players ?" that was your comment, you can read his/her comment 100 times and unless it has been edited it never stated people shouldn't criticize Pep or the players. You question why he is on a forum "if he is too much of a snowflake to accept that people are entitled to get pissed off and voice their opinions" in the same post that you criticise him/her for expressing an opinion on a forum. Are there forum police ? Where was the name calling in the post ? Yet you question if he is a "snowflake", the latest buzzword put down word ie. name calling, ok for you to do but not anyone else, is that the advice from your imaginary "forum police"
 
Coatigan said:
I often mention var, injuries, some players having covid, lack of a preseason, condensed schedule etc, needing taken into account into all this. They are not excuses, they are just the context we seem to willfully ignore.

Well another one to that is lack of supporters. Against west ham, with a home crowd getting nervous as we surround their box the final 10 minutes or so, that nervousness translates to their players, they feel under pressure more, and they probably arent as comfortable defending that resolutely at the end. We probably find a way to win that game in stoppage time, like we did so many times in our title seasons (they weren't all convincing wins, remember, they all count and the narrow ones are important). Similarly, does a referee really give 3 pens against a home team in front of a home crowd?

All these small things add up, margins that can decide things, and add up points and confidence, that when a meaningful run on top form comes, it matters.

If VaR had done its job, west ham wouldn't have had a one goal lead to defend half the game, or a 1 goal draw to defend the rest.
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VAR did it's job in the West Ham game.
 
King KdB of Belgium said:
For all those who want Vincent Kompany as manager. There is a very big problem that has to be overcome. The problem is that Vincent Kompany is also a shareholder in Anderlecht.

So how do we overcome this very big problem if we want to have Vincent Kompany as our manager. This is my honest opinion that he will not except any job offer that Cit may offer him.

So we are left with two options, either stay with Pep or go for somebody else for a manger.
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We would be mad to have Kompany as manager at this stage. Poch plus point is bringing through youth and he did a good job at spurs. Rodgers comes across as a bit of a dick tbh. Nagelsmann would be interesting.
 
samarasra said:
Pochettino seems to be a popular choice but I cannot understand why. He has won 4 PL Manager of the Month awards between 2013 and 2017 and absolutely nothing else. It would be a bigger risk for us than it was when Barcelona appointed Pep after a year with their B team, but at least he was familiar with the players. I realise surviving so long with the Spurs chairman was a notable achievement but apart from a smiling face and reasonable English language skills and plenty to say for the media why would we go from a serial winner to a serial non winner. He may be available, but at what cost is he free.
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What were you expecting him to win precisely?
 
hilts said:
We would be mad to have Kompany as manager at this stage. Poch plus point is bringing through youth and he did a good job at spurs. Rodgers comes across as a bit of a dick tbh. Nagelsmann would be interesting.
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When he say “for all those wanting Kompany” he can only be referring to about 3 people on the planet.
I’m pretty sure whilst all of us want him back in some capacity eventually, it’s not to take over from Pep.
Unless you’re a lunatic of course - which there’s no shortage of around.
 
Coatigan said:
I often mention var, injuries, some players having covid, lack of a preseason, condensed schedule etc, needing taken into account into all this. They are not excuses, they are just the context we seem to willfully ignore.

Well another one to that is lack of supporters. Against west ham, with a home crowd getting nervous as we surround their box the final 10 minutes or so, that nervousness translates to their players, they feel under pressure more, and they probably arent as comfortable defending that resolutely at the end. We probably find a way to win that game in stoppage time, like we did so many times in our title seasons (they weren't all convincing wins, remember, they all count and the narrow ones are important). Similarly, does a referee really give 3 pens against a home team in front of a home crowd?

All these small things add up, margins that can decide things, and add up points and confidence, that when a meaningful run on top form comes, it matters.

If VaR had done its job, west ham wouldn't have had a one goal lead to defend half the game, or a 1 goal draw to defend the rest.
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I just said a similar thing to my son along the lines of your last paragraph.. Also we stopped playing instead of waiting for the whistle... How Pep can shoulder the blame for either of these things is beyond me
 
The best manager that has ever managed, and folk are talking of binning him.

Ffs, any other coach is a step down. The owner should be begging him to stay. And so should the fans.

If imitation is the biggest compliment, then just look at how the English football pyramid now play, out from the back. Just because some teams have now joined us as the best to play his system, doesn't mean pep has lost his mojo.

If he adapts, and he must to keep ahead of the chasing pack, then I would happily have him here for another 5 years.
 
burning blue soul said:
The best manager that has ever managed, and folk are talking of binning him.

Ffs, any other coach is a step down. The owner should be begging him to stay. And so should the fans.

If imitation is the biggest compliment, then just look at how the English football pyramid now play, out from the back. Just because some teams have now joined us as the best to play his system, doesn't mean pep has lost his mojo.

If he adapts, and he must to keep ahead of the chasing pack, then I would happily have him here for another 5 years.
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So you think he is bigger than the club?
 
samarasra said:
"I take it you're his mate as you're fighting his battles so to speak " Seriously ?? Am I your mate when I "like" a point you make? no and no I am not "his mate" and it appears he/she is well capable of speaking without backup. I have no idea who Zinmanc is, I am responding to a post he/she made in reply to which you wrongly stated that he/she said something that was never said in the post. "So are you saying people on bluemoon shouldn't criticize Pep or the players ?" that was your comment, you can read his/her comment 100 times and unless it has been edited it never stated people shouldn't criticize Pep or the players. You question why he is on a forum "if he is too much of a snowflake to accept that people are entitled to get pissed off and voice their opinions" in the same post that you criticise him/her for expressing an opinion on a forum. Are there forum police ? Where was the name calling in the post ? Yet you question if he is a "snowflake", the latest buzzword put down word ie. name calling, ok for you to do but not anyone else, is that the advice from your imaginary "forum police"
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Do I owe you a tenner or summat ?
 
roy.or.r said:
So you think he is bigger than the club?
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No, I think he has elevated our club to levels we (and most other fans of most other clubs) didn't think was possible. Record after record broken.
So to cast him aside when his record in the league stands at 4th, 1st, 1st and 2nd is pretty conclusive evidence that to part ways is simply on brexit level stupidity.
 
burning blue soul said:
The best manager that has ever managed, and folk are talking of binning him.

Ffs, any other coach is a step down. The owner should be begging him to stay. And so should the fans.

If imitation is the biggest compliment, then just look at how the English football pyramid now play, out from the back. Just because some teams have now joined us as the best to play his system, doesn't mean pep has lost his mojo.

If he adapts, and he must to keep ahead of the chasing pack, then I would happily have him here for another 5 years.
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Agreed
 
burning blue soul said:
No, I think he has elevated our club to levels we (and most other fans of most other clubs) didn't think was possible. Record after record broken.
So to cast him aside when his record in the league stands at 4th, 1st, 1st and 2nd is pretty conclusive evidence that to part ways is simply on brexit level stupidity.
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Who exactly is "casting him aside" ?
 
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