COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[Healdplace]

England hospitals another terrible day 174 deaths.

50 from NW, 48 Yorkshire and 44 Midlands. So very obvious where Covid is dominant.

Though the NW percentage is notably lower here than it has been. And the other two regions growing.

 

[kaz7]

I really don't understand why we haven't had a vitamin D drive from the health service. Mass blood tests for Vitamin D deficiency and setting up appropriate supplement use by the population.
Vitamin D deficiency can't be overcome immediately, so doesn't really help folks in hospital unless they get to week 2 and day 10 is the key point in Covid-19 hospital cases.

You cant have people flooding the stretched nhs for blood tests , just everyone take a supplement , the experts all have said we should for years , it is cheap and wont hurt you if you dont need it , people have to take responsibility for themself

 

[johnnytapia]

Right can somebody just correct me here before I go and kick off royally?

Three people living in a house, 1 gets tested positive last Thursday, the other two recieve positive test results on Sunday.......last Wednesday a person visits them unaware (as they all are at this stage). The person who visited becomes aware that a positive test has been received on Saturday.

1.Should the visitor be self isolating now.....from the time they became aware of the positive test?
2. Should that persons partner who didnt visit also be self isolating.

If it were found that both were still going to work one in a very public indoor enviroment would you takle them about it?

Interesting that the advice we (schools) are given differs from the advice given by NHS. As directed by the LA who are in turn being directed by PHE, school advice regarding contact / isolation is:

What is a ‘Contact’?
4.1 The main categories that would lead to someone being identified as a ‘contact’
in an education setting are as follows:
4.1.1 Direct contact:
Face to face contact with a confirmed case for any length of time, within
1m, including:
● being coughed on,
● a face to face conversation,
● unprotected physical contact (skin to skin) or
● travel in a small vehicle with a case.
● This also includes any exposure within 1 metre for 1 minute or longer
4.1.2 Proximity contact: Extended close contact (between 1 and 2 metres) for
more than 15 minutes, with a confirmed case.
4.2 An individual identified as a contact is required to self-isolate for 14 days
from the last contact that they had with the index case. If they develop
symptoms during this time they must arrange an urgent test for
themselves.
4.3 Contact must have taken place during the ‘infectious period’ of the index
case which is defined as: 2 full days before the onset of symptoms (or the
date of test if they don’t have symptoms) until 10 days after symptoms
started (or the date of the test if they do not have symptoms).

 

[crublue1]

Central Station - now Manchester Nightingale hospital - receiving patients today. Not any with Covid but to free up space for the influx expected with Covid into other near full GM hospitals. Used as a place where patients close to being sent home can stay and wait for arrangements to be made for discharge.

In WW 2 when it saw soldiers returning from the front I wonder if it ever expected to be where patients were going to be treated as the nation fought a different war against an invisible enemy.

sobering post.

 

[johnnytapia]

COVID-19 symptoms and what to do

Find out about the symptoms of COVID-19, what to do if you or your child has them and when to get medical help.

www.nhs.uk

Strictly speaking they don't need to self isolate unless they develop symptoms.
The houshold should tell test and trace who is at risk due to visiting the property and test and trace may get in touch with the person.
Personally I think the vsitor should take personal responsibility and self isolate for 5 days from the date of the visit and get a test for day 6 and leave isolation if the result is -ve.

Is the correct answer.

 

[Healdplace]

England hospital deaths week to week:

2 wks ago 68 with 25 NW v last wk 94 with 37 NW v today 174 with 50 NW.

That is an accelerating England death rate as you can easily see.

But the NW contribution is falling.

 

[crublue1]

You cant have people flooding the stretched nhs for blood tests , just everyone take a supplement , the experts all have said we should for years , it is cheap and wont hurt you if you dont need it , people have to take responsibility for themself

Tis true. I've been taking the D since early lockdown. Based I think on one of your posts recommending it.

 

[crublue1]

I could think of more fun things to with her.
lockdown would be much more pleasant I would imagine

And you'd get a nice breakfast

 

[kaz7]

Tis true. I've been taking the D since early lockdown. Based I think on one of your posts recommending it.

Another slant on vit d is it is good for strong bones , as we havent been moving around and doing weight bearing exercise we are more prone to fractures , particularly us oldies

 

[crublue1]

Another slant on vit d is it is good for strong bones , as we havent been moving around and doing weight bearing exercise we are more prone to fractures , particularly us oldies

You speak for yourself grandma x

 

[mcfc1632]

£120 ! Nice work if you can get it

I know that this seems outrageous - and I would like to think that this should be available for about £50 - which I accept is just me guessing, but......

It seems at least a step in the right direction - given my experience of the alternatives.

When travelling in August my family had to pay £140 a pop for a private test - but when arriving at the destination it was clear that there were far more people on the flight that had travelled having received an NHS test. Apparently there was a 'loophole' where you could just state 'other' and get an NHS test or claim that they had some other reason for having a test.

That surely must have placed a massive burden on the NHS system - which could/should have been avoided.

I think that there has been a tightening up on the NHS process now - but, whilst that is welcome, the private clinics seem to have seen this as a opportunity for exploitation - tests in September and October were £205 each - and a lot of travel.

So I welcome this move by Boots - if it takes some of the load off the NHS and addresses the exploitation of the private clinics.

 

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

I feel the same, at first i didn't like it but over time i can't imagine how i was doing a 7am commute into London and not home again till 7pm, all that travel time i can be doing far more productive stuff, plus the money saving is a real help. ideally in future, 1 or 2 days in the office a week.

You are fortunate you work for an employer who is allowing this. Ours is starting to put a bit of pressure on but without saying we have to go back. I’ve been going in as I like it better than working from home but some others have stayed away. They are the ones being spoken about at management meetings. I’m sure there are other companies where this is happening too as I see full car parks on some office blocks and empty at others on our business park.

 

[urban genie]

Nottinghamshire in tier 3 by friday

Now bristol is in tier 1 .5 (wtf that about)

Talk of a tier 4 being created

How many tiers we gonna have?

 

[BlueHammer85]

You are fortunate you work for an employer who is allowing this. Ours is starting to put a bit of pressure on but without saying we have to go back. I’ve been going in as I like it better than working from home but some others have stayed away. They are the ones being spoken about at management meetings. I’m sure there are other companies where this is happening too as I see full car parks on some office blocks and empty at others on our business park.

Nope, we're in the same boat - i went in yesterday for first time in a long while, was surprised how many was in and yes there is underlying pressure for us to all go in.

 

[BlueHammer85]

My old man wants to come over Saturday to watch the footie (he is tier 2) i'm tier 1 ... had to tell him he can't. felt a bit bad :(

 

[Healdplace]

England hospital deaths in detail:

27 Oct adds 27 = 27 after 1 day.

26 Oct adds 84 = 113 after 2 days. The biggest day 2 total since 13 May.

25 Oct adds 26 = 131 after 3 days. The biggest day 3 total since 14 May. These dates getting uncomfortably close to April now. And moving back very fast. Only two weeks ago we were looking at numbers in July.

24 Oct adds 16 = 110 after 4 days. This is the LOWEST 4 day total in 5 days for a bit of good news.

23 Oct adds 10 = 121 after 5 days.

Other add ons 22 Oct adds 2 = 139. This is the biggest daily England hospital number after all add ons since 27 May.

And 3 on 21 Oct = 136, 2 on 20 Oct = 127, 1 on 17 Oct = 124, 1 on 11 Oct = 74, 1 on 2 Oct = 48

The other death will likely be discounted in the numbers as it was all the way back from March.

 

[kaz7]

Nottinghamshire in tier 3 by friday

Now bristol is in tier 1 .5 (wtf that about)

Talk of a tier 4 being created

How many tiers we gonna have?

This is getting stupid now , no fucker knows what they are supposed to be doing , great way to sow confused and in turn non compliance , a short national lockdown , no ifs and buts , finances continued , stop it spreading , that way we might have some leway for having dec 25 th , trouble is with millions travelling and mixing then it will escalate fast again but at least it would be from a lower base , another short lockdown in jan or feb and we might just make it to the spring and nearer a vaccine

 

[Healdplace]

Northern Ireland data Also not good.

9 deaths

Cases 840 - which is a little positive as it from over 36,000 tests.

Hospital patients 352 - down 8.

Ventilators 37 - up 4 sadly.

The rolling cases total across 7 days falls again to 6255. From 6493.

But the number aged over 80 in there rises from 263 in the higher number yesterday to 274 in the lower one today. The reason the deaths have started to accelerate almost without question. Looks like many are from care home outbreaks again.

 

[Vic]

Tis true. I've been taking the D since early lockdown. Based I think on one of your posctcts recommending it.

I spent a lot of time in March catching rays through the window till (maybe on here) someone said you can be burnt by the sun through glass but not get Vitamin D through glass!

 

[True_Blue69]

Right can somebody just correct me here before I go and kick off royally?

Three people living in a house, 1 gets tested positive last Thursday, the other two recieve positive test results on Sunday.......last Wednesday a person visits them unaware (as they all are at this stage). The person who visited becomes aware that a positive test has been received on Saturday.

1.Should the visitor be self isolating now.....from the time they became aware of the positive test?
2. Should that persons partner who didnt visit also be self isolating.

If it were found that both were still going to work one in a very public indoor enviroment would you takle them about it?

1 - Legally unless the track and trace app has told them to then they don't have to according to the info online. Remember it's not just being in the same room as someone, you have to be within a certain distance for a certain amount of time.
2 - No. Unless the parter has a positive test then people in the same house don't have to isolate.

If it was the people that tested positive yes, if it was the visitors then no, they are doing nothing wrong if they have no symptoms.