COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[Gaylord du Bois]

Van Tam is one lone voice it seems, although he has left the option open . As i have suggested , cornwall can be protected that is the beauty of their location

It can't without shutting it off from the rest of the UK. Which in effect puts it in lockdown by proxy.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Van Tam is one lone voice it seems, although he has left the option open . As i have suggested , cornwall can be protected that is the beauty of their location

He is not a loan voice. At least 25% of SAGE disagree with total lockdown.
Even Sturgeon recognises it's a disaster.

 

[kaz7]

He is not a loan voice. At least 25% of SAGE disagree with total lockdown.
Even Sturgeon recognises it's a disaster.

Only 25% majority rules then

 

[Scottyboi]

We wont , boris is politically wedded to not doing it , he would look weak doing what starmer wants , stupid time to play politics

I doubt many people would be thinking of it in that way Karen

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Not everyone has a bubble.
Often, the only living relatives they have would be those who are "leading their lives" and you expect them not to visit when the elder gets teary?
Not everyone who has Covid knows it and could quite easily infect the loved ones

So, no

well thats what happening now isnt it? its just some people are more careful than others. You shield and visit after a test. that has to be better than what we have now. And it also alows the rest to resume some kind of normality and get the economy going.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

I doubt many people would be thinking of it in that way Karen

think they are trying to save the economy as well as lives. its a really tough call. some on here only see the saving lives side of things.

 

[St.Pauli support]

How has the country reacted to that? Anger, or acceptance that something is needed?

Especially restaurant owners are very disappointed. Many tried and invested a lot to ensure safety, they feel they are not the problem,
other than pubs and bars.

Public opinion pre today's announcement was about:
55% in line with govs policy
33% wanted more restrictions
12% wanted less restrictions.

Most people have understood we HAVE to follow rules or it gets ugly and gov then has would have react, with tough consequences for all, including the compliants.

About 15% don't follow the rules for different reasons:
- a certain %age isn't reached by advice due to a barrier of language, cultural differences or simply understanding
- some are unable to follow rules per se. They feel dominated and weak if someone tells them what's important to do now. They are against ANY system. Conspiracy theories are a factor here.

Right now we think Germany is a bit behind the curve compared to many other European areas and we want to buy some more time, early enough to still be able to control a very dynamic process.

It was similar in spring due to huge diagnostic capacities and early testing, also high ICU capacities.

Now most have understood we don't have an alternative.
We know those 15% are the reason for tougher restrictions but in a free society (which we want to be) you'll always have a certain number who haven't learnt to act in a responsible way.

If we want to change society towards more solidarity
we will have to start before kids are 4 years old
and lead by example. It's a multi generational task.
In the end it's about human behaviour and that inevitably means brain development. This is mainly not understood. IMO.

 

[pluto]

Seems Germany who were praised at the start of the outbreak for their rapid lock down and track and trace system, are admitting this may have only put off/delayed the inevitable spread. Just reading they feel they are now still at the start of it with worse to come. Numbers are rising rapidly despite having all the measures they had at the start plus new methods/data.

Reading up on how they reacted at the start, it would seem the only way to reduce the R number effectively is a total lock down again. But that then just puts it off.
If Germany is now struggling (and are deemed to have done everything correctly)it makes you question how much Track and Trace, bubbles and masks really help.
I assume they help lessen the burden on hospitals at least.

An effective vaccine appears to be the only solution long term. This also depending on how long they last as well.

Saw on a business tv channel that Germany now has insufficient tracers to keep up with the infection rate , they are overwhelmed

 

[worsleyweb]

Just come off the phone to my daughter who has recently had it. (All clear now).

She is saying she is still catching her breath and feels absolutely exhausted. She tested positive twice and negative last week. Is it normal to still feel shattered and anyone who has has it, how long before energy comes back?

 

[mosssideblue]

think they are trying to save the economy as well as lives. its a really tough call. some on here only see the saving lives side of things.

There are no pockets in shrouds :(

 

[kaz7]

I doubt many people would be thinking of it in that way Karen

Boris will and that is all the matters

 

[purplenose]

Just come off the phone to my daughter who has recently had it. (All clear now).

She is saying she is still catching her breath and feels absolutely exhausted. She tested positive twice and negative last week. Is it normal to still feel shattered and anyone who has has it, how long before energy comes back?

I think it varies but she might want to ask about long Covid.

 

[kaz7]

think they are trying to save the economy as well as lives. its a really tough call. some on here only see the saving lives side of things.

That is not true , i see both and after seeing god knows how many die with my own eyes and consolling relatives then i put life first , the economy has always recovered and it will again

 

[kaz7]

Just come off the phone to my daughter who has recently had it. (All clear now).

She is saying she is still catching her breath and feels absolutely exhausted. She tested positive twice and negative last week. Is it normal to still feel shattered and anyone who has has it, how long before energy comes back?

it can take a while lovely , alternate excertion and rest and take it easy , long covid is a thing but it varies in each person , she might be fine in a couple of weeks

 

[BlueAnorak]

Just come off the phone to my daughter who has recently had it. (All clear now).

She is saying she is still catching her breath and feels absolutely exhausted. She tested positive twice and negative last week. Is it normal to still feel shattered and anyone who has has it, how long before energy comes back?

I got easily out of breath for a month - and my mild asthma is still not properly under control. I also had aches and pains for 3 months afterwards. Its very important to rest as too much exercise will make the aches and pains worse. Taking ibuprofen helps loads.
I think I had it quite badly but there are quite a few, like Karen, who have had it far far worse than me.

 

[Manc in London]

Mate of mine was tested for covid19. Turns out that the test results stated that he had tested positive for antibodies. He has not had any symptoms. His missus' test was negative for covid19 and antibodies. She is a nurss worked for a few weeks on a covid ward.

It's odd that they have different results with such an infectious disease, when they spend most of their time together.

Is it possible for the test to return false positives for antibodies?

 

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

I got easily out of breath for a month - and my mild asthma is still not properly under control. I also had aches and pains for 3 months afterwards. Its very important to rest as too much exercise will make the aches and pains worse. Taking ibuprofen helps loads.
I think I had it quite badly but there are quite a few, like Karen, who have had it far far worse than me.

A bloke I know is still taking oxygen from a portable tank 6 months later and has just been diagnosed with heart failure. He was severely ill on hospital in the first wave though but is only early 50’s.

 

[kaz7]

I got easily out of breath for a month - and my mild asthma is still not properly under control. I also had aches and pains for 3 months afterwards. Its very important to rest as too much exercise will make the aches and pains worse. Taking ibuprofen helps loads.
I think I had it quite badly but there are quite a few, like Karen, who have had it far far worse than me.

You had it bad too, it is a right fucker to get shot off , feeling good today , second day on third course of pred and fourth course of antibiotics , it is a marathon not a sprint for sure

 

[St.Pauli support]

Saw on a business tv channel that Germany now has insufficient tracers to keep up with the infection rate , they are overwhelmed

Yeah. Even the best track and trace system can't handle higher numbers and from there you are digging in the fog and can't identify hotspots and super spreaders - being the sense of that system.

Losing control about infections means you can review the situation 4 weeks later in ICUs. There's a direct link.

I have no right to criticize British policy but especially if neither your trackntrace nor your ICUs per capita is gold standard you should hurry up to flatten the curve. Waste no time and better do it.

 

[Healdplace]

What above deaths per borough? Is this data available?

Here are the total number of deaths and Pop Score like number of deaths v 100,000 population. Over the pandemic.

GM Borough: Total Deaths over pandemic ///`As scored per 100K pop (higher the number worse the death rate)

Bolton 346 /// 120.3

Bury 239 /// 125.1

Manchester 429 /// 77.6

Oldham 248 /// 104.6

Rochdale 259 /// 116.5

Salford 301 /// 116.3

Stockport 303 /// 103.3

Tameside 373 /// 164.7

Trafford 229 /// 96.5

Wigan 397 /// 120.8

I make that 3124 of the 45, 675 in GM.

Trafford again comes out very well and Manchester has the most deaths but the lowest rate.

The rate for Tameside appears to be the highest in Britain btw. I could not find anywhere with a number higher than or even close to 164.7.

Tameside has a population of 222,874 versus Manchester 533, 230

Trafford has 243, 576 versus Stockport 290, 500.