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mosssideblue said:
Did anyone else see that fucking idiot on tonight's news. Was being interviewed and admitted to going to a neighbouring area to put a bet on and have a pint because he cannot do that in his area. The interviewer said he shouldn't be doing that and asked him did he think the rules were clear.

Fuckwits response, yes they are clear but there there to be broken.

We have no chance.
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it was truly shocking and I wouldn’t be surprised by his age and state if he isn’t in a higher risk group - uphill struggle as it’s a board game for a lot of people
 
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BlueAnorak said:
In fact we need to isolate and infect healthy teenagers and young adults en masse, who do not have underlying health conditions.
Some will die.
Some will become very ill.
But they will do so anyway as the virus runs amock.
The number of lives saved will be enormous and our economy will suffer much less damage.
It is a numbers game and you can't stop young people being young people.
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You're making the assumption's that: -
1. The virus can't mutate (which it both can and does do - more when there's more people infected).
And
2. That contracting the virus makes you immune going forwards (which we already know isn't true due to the number of re-infections).

I'm not claiming to have any of the answers but to carry out a mass experiment, involving deliberately killing people in hope of a beneficial outcome, would IMO only seem wise if it was supported by science rather than that nobend Trump.
 
BlueAnorak said:
In fact we need to isolate and infect healthy teenagers and young adults en masse, who do not have underlying health conditions.
Some will die.
Some will become very ill.
But they will do so anyway as the virus runs amock.
The number of lives saved will be enormous and our economy will suffer much less damage.
It is a numbers game and you can't stop young people being young people.
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evening Mengele.
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
Nothing surprises me but there is a huge amount of people with this attitude. There’s a societal culture in this country where people think it’s cool to break rules, people think it’s cool to be against any form of authority. They don’t seem to care that breaking these rules kills people.
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Quite amazing how many break em and then post the rule breaking on social media and get loads of likes! These are not teenagers either.
 
Bluemanc100 said:
Let’s hope it’s soon... we’re locked down in Wales and it would make sense to do it nationwide... it didn’t seem logical to do it in isolation but now the numbers do seem to justify the move but I fear it’s too late
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Let's just say our government would be fucking useless at steering a supertanker.
 
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Chippy_boy said:
What we are seeing is a train wreck in slow motion. ...

we are going to see a big spike in deaths again in the over 60's, but it will take a few weeks for this to percolate through. For them to get infected, get ill, go into hospital, go into ICU and then die. It's probably 4 to 6 weeks from now that the idiotic behaviour of far too many people is going to be truly and horribly realised.
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OccupiedPalestineBlues said:
You're making the assumption's that: -
1. The virus can't mutate (which it both can and does do - more when there's more people infected).
And
2. That contracting the virus makes you immune going forwards (which we already know isn't true due to the number of re-infections).

I'm not claiming to have any of the answers but to carry out a mass experiment, involving deliberately killing people in hope of a beneficial outcome, would IMO only seem wise if it was supported by science rather than that nobend Trump.
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This is actually a pretty tame virus - it's just that our immune systems have never encountered anything like it before.
Most of the deaths are down to Cytokine Storm due to our immune systems going barmy. If it had encountered something similar beforehand it would be able to deal with it.
 
OccupiedPalestineBlues said:
You're making the assumption's that: -
1. The virus can't mutate (which it both can and does do - more when there's more people infected).
And
2. That contracting the virus makes you immune going forwards (which we already know isn't true due to the number of re-infections).

I'm not claiming to have any of the answers but to carry out a mass experiment, involving deliberately killing people in hope of a beneficial outcome, would IMO only seem wise if it was supported by science rather than that nobend Trump.
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The only science that makes sense is control. I never understand why people think we have to get herd immunity and let people die or instead lock the whole country down. The only reason we have ever had to choose between these two is because the government and its system of controlling the pandemic is a shambles.

It's very simple, lockdown now and put the support in place as it was in March and get the cases nationally down. After that, slowly open some areas, test, test, test, open more up, test, test, test. If an outbreak occurs, lockdown the area, trace contacts, test, test, test.... Keep the border watertight by requiring negative tests for entry.

When I say lock down areas, I mean lockdown and none of this tier crap. No-one leaves their house, no-one comes in or out of the area except for essential reasons, emergencies etc. The government provides all the support necessary with flexible furlough and other support for locked down areas.

An area gets full transparency of its case numbers and is told the threshold in which it will be released from lockdown because blimey wouldn't that encourage folk to follow the rules? Once testing proves it's okay, everyone is released and life goes on but outbreak control continues in this same loop to keep infections low.
 
A lad I know lives on his own, he's generally been good about COVID, however when there was the rule in place about no support bubbles he bent that rule by moving in with his parents for a few days a week (then goes back to his flat). However he has suffered mentally through this in my honest opinion. Rather than be judgemental - I was kind happy he had some social contact however he's not been himself for about 2-3 months. He said today both parents have COVID. The Grandparent that's 90yo and lives close to them has it too. As he's been staying at their house, he's now isolating. When he told me, he said his girlfriend (who he only got with this month) had to have test too (negative) but has to isolate at her house too. So basically - his parents who are allow to form support bubbles with one household have formed two. He was living on his own and has been seeing 3 different households two of which now have COVID.

I feel for him. He's probably done what a lot of the general public have done. It's no-ones fault that they've caught it but isn't the mental effect or 3 of your closest family members getting seriosuly ill more of a strain? My boss does the same, she see's her daughter and grandchildren inside the house, but says that's ok because it's family and they only see each other and no-one else.

Emotions rule the head for many - it's shows they are genuinely human but also the most vunerable to this virus.
 
BlueAnorak said:
This is actually a pretty tame virus - it's just that our immune systems have never encountered anything like it before.
Most of the deaths are down to Cytokine Storm due to our immune systems going barmy. If it had encountered something similar beforehand it would be able to deal with it.
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COVID-19 is not a tame virus. It isn't lethal to most but it's infectivity is very high and that's what makes it dangerous.

That fact it only kills around 1% is irrelevant if the entire population gets it because that's 700,000 deaths....
 
mosssideblue said:
Did anyone else see that fucking idiot on tonight's news. Was being interviewed and admitted to going to a neighbouring area to put a bet on and have a pint because he cannot do that in his area. The interviewer said he shouldn't be doing that and asked him did he think the rules were clear.

Fuckwits response, yes they are clear but there there to be broken.

We have no chance.
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I didn’t see that but fuck me that’s demoralising. It leaves me in complete and utter despair. People just don’t care until their family are dying. Then they’ll blame the government. Don’t get me wrong the government should take a huge portion of the blame, but on average, the general public in this country have been a disgrace. It’s not even a minority. It’s now most people. Nobody gives a shit.
 
inbetween said:
COVID-19 is not a tame virus. It isn't lethal to most but it's infectivity is very high and that's what makes it dangerous.

That fact it only kills around 1% is irrelevant if the entire population gets it because that's 700,000 deaths....
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It is only lethal because our immune systems have never encountered anything like it before. It's clever in the way it lowers interferon levels that disrupt tne defence mechanisms, but once you have Memory T cells the body can deal with anything similar and so far non of the mutations have been to the protein spike that breaks into our cells - the thing that changes regularly with colds and flu.
 
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Healdplace said:
GM Scoreboard:

Manchester 392 - lowest high score all week. Down from 474. Total cases topped 20,000 to 20, 012 (only Birmingham and Leeds got here first and fairy recently). Weekly 2937. Pop score up 71 to enter the 3600 club at 3620. Weekly Pop 534.

Wigan 332 - down from 419. Total cases 10562. Weekly 2367. Pop score up 101 to enter the 3200 club at 3214. Weekly Pop 721.

Salford 284 - up from 280 to new record score. Total cases 8611. Weekly 1757. Pop score up 110 - most in GM today - to enter the 3300 club at 3327, Weekly Pop 679.

Oldham 262 - up from 245. Total cases 9400. Weekly 1772. Pop score up 110 to enter the 3900 club at 3964. Will tomorrow barring a miracle be the first in GM and the third in UK to enter the 4000 club. Weekly Pop 743.

Bolton 223 - down from 263 Total cases 10,232, Weekly 1673. Pop score up 67 to enter the 3500 club at 3578. Weekly Pop 581.

Stockport 202 - down from 224. Total cases 7047. Weekly 1416. Rising fast. It was in the 900s 10 days ago. But numbers have fallen for 3 straight days. Pop score up 69 to enter the 2400 club after a day in the 2300s at 2402. Weekly Pop still rocketing up at 483. Was under 200 on 1 October and just 16 on 1 September!

Tameside 195 - up from 185. Total cases 6956. Weekly 1274. Pop score up 86 to enter 3000 club at 3071. Just two boroughs left now in the 2000s - both of which hopefully look safe in there for the next week! Weekly Pop 562.

Rochdale 190 - down from 212 and continuing its improvement. Total cases 8179. Weekly 1413. Less on this measure than Stockport for first time ever shows the relative progress of these two towns in past week! Pop score up 85 to enter the 3600 club at 3677. Weekly Pop 635.

Bury 157 - down from 173. Total cases 6326. Weekly 1095. Pop score up 82 to enter the 3300 club at 3312. Weekly Pop 573.

Trafford 149 - down from 157. Best in GM again today. Total cases 6125. Weekly 1066. Best in GM and only Bury giving it a battle. Apart from Hastings. Pop score up lowest in GM 64 today to 2581. Weekly Pop 450. Pulling clear of Stockport - long time leader here. And also made up more ground over them in the overall Pop score race. Just 179 behind after being nearly 250 a few days ago.
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Where do you get your figures from please.
 
I've thought from the start that lockdowns just can't work the way people think they will, too many mitigating reasons for the majority to continue working etc during the national lockdown for it to work long term unless we have a total ban on anyone coming in and out of the country but it's impossible as we will all starve to death and have no supplies to look after the sick if we did that. It is really easy for someone who can conduct their work from home to say, lock everyone down, piece of piss but in reality it is impossible.

You can lockdown each area all you want but as a working example. I'm in a team of 16 who on a daily basis have to travel and work anywhere between Bolton, Carlisle and Settle, doing emergency breakdown work on water treatment, I will ordinarily be with at least 2 others who vary day to day depending on location, the nature of the work means I can't work more than 1m away from them, we will probably come into contact with 30+ different people everyday all over the North West, if I don't work you don't get water to your tap and will die eventually.

I'm one of around 3000 staff who will be working in similar circumstances just for one company... My Wife is a Nurse, she is obviously needed at work and is in contact with god knows how many people everyday. my Son is at Nursery as we have no way of working if not, the poor Nursery workers have the risk that just us as a Family bring to them, in turn risking their Family's and so on... It's a virtually unbreakable cycle.
 
inbetween said:
COVID-19 is not a tame virus. It isn't lethal to most but it's infectivity is very high and that's what makes it dangerous.

That fact it only kills around 1% is irrelevant if the entire population gets it because that's 700,000 deaths....
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It’s infectivity is classed as low

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One day, I predict the human race will come into contact with something with a measles like contagiousness and bird flu deadliness and that will be how we go extinct.
 
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