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Netherlands figures nudging up closer to 7,000 new cases per day again, and it’s hard to see the trend slowing let alone reversing.
 
purplenose said:
I am seeing nothing at all that is changing my mind about an absolute catastrophe ahead.

Whilst people should be able to use their own common sense to see whats needed sadly they dont and wont. More now than ever before given we are coming up to Xmas. Its truly a magical time of year so much so that because it is Xmas you will be ok going in crowded shops and supermarkets as long as you wear a mask! Wearing a mask is going to do more harm than good in December because idiots think its an infallible shield when infact by and large it does next to fuck all unless its the correct mask and worn correctly which virtually nobody does.

Yes indeed just because its Xmas Covid has agreed to not infect anyone doing Xmas shopping nor dining in pubs or attending parties....but only because its XMAS mind. Even the government say its fine.....

All this a few weeks before we can get to a place where live is much better due to the vaccine how fucking stupid can you honestly get?
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We've decided especially with Mrs Moon being on the shielded list to have xmas at home,just the two of us.

Seen our lad once since the pandemic kicked in,lives 4 hours away and are meeting him in a National Park the week before halfway between houses to have a distanced walk and exchange gifts.

I just can't get my head around 'It's Christmas' so lets party......I'd much rather wait and party for a more years thank you very much.
 
mrbelfry said:
Is there something different about the demographics of who is getting it in Wales? Is it skewing older there or is it the presence of certain co-morbidities? Or is the amount of deaths consistent with the amount of cases when compared to the rest of the UK?
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Here is a good summary of all the data. My guess is the densely packed valleys housing, ex miners with lung problems may be factors. It is where cases seem to occur most.

Those who like graphs will find it useful as it has many.


Covid-19 in Wales: What do the stats tell us? - BBC News
 
Healdplace said:
I said once before what we should have done. Though I know it was never going to happen.

Tell people treat Christmas as a virtual one and a religious festival - NOT a holiday this year - with no easing of restrictions.

But announce that a new bank holiday will be created as soon as it is clear we are in a position to do so. Maybe March or April.

Call it Thanksgiving as that was created to give thanks for being rescued in the US and involves a turkey dinner.

Just as the end is in sight inviting everyone to party, hug and kiss because of dates in a calendar is beyond mad.

Though incredibly hard to stop and popular.

Just all but certain to cost more than it gains in both tragic lives lost and finance when we need to lockdown through Jan and Feb to pay for it.
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The trouble is, there’s elderly people who have isolated all year and have been thinking about Christmas for many weeks now.

All they’ll want to do is have a day away from their flat or house to see their loved ones and for them it’s worth the risk.

Unless you’re having to travel, there needn’t be more than 2 days, so the 5 is excessive but they had to relax it imo.
 
Healdplace said:
Wales data is even worse today. Big trouble there.

The highest number of cases EVER on a Sunday from any of the three nations other than England.

Scotland with a higher population rarely has exceeded that number on any day.

1916 cases and 14 deaths.

This is a warning to the rest of the UK of where things can go if we stop being vigilant in the next three months until the vaccines hopefully save the day.
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This isnt anything against you, or knocking your input buddy. you do a great job and i have been following you for month's.

But i honestly think this vaccine is a white elephant. First off, we only have 800k dose's available. So that's only 400k people who can have it soon, and it takes three week's before you can have the second. people who get it early will only start to develop immunity in the first week of the new year, prob longer with a Christmas shut down. Added to that they only have another 40 million doses on order. Thats no where near enough and would only provide protection for less than a 3rd of the population. Considering they are not certain it will prevent transmission, that is worrying.
Even if they get a 100% take up of the vaccine, and they will not get anywhere near that number. That still leaves the lion's share of the population completely unprotected. In all honesty it sounds like a way of giving people hope to try and remain vigilant. In actual fact it seem's to have convinced everyone, even mp's in charge, that this thing will all be over soon. The reality is that it will take until the summer to roll out the first phase of vaccination. I think people need to realize this is going to be way more long term than Easter. Convincing the nation this will all be over soon, the vaccine has arrived.. it just send's entirely the wrong message imo.

Hope you are doing well buddy, keep up the good work. you have more information than the BBC ha ha
 
kaz7 said:
the virus hasnt changed enough to cause it , is it winter , i suppose it is in sweden but i dont know about the other . Truth is covid needs very little invitation to spread , it just takes one cluster caused by a visitor and it 's off and they have no defence because they went with herd immunity
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not winter in Brasil Kaz
 
sniff said:
This isnt anything against you, or knocking your input buddy. you do a great job and i have been following you for month's.

But i honestly think this vaccine is a white elephant. First off, we only have 800k dose's available. So that's only 400k people who can have it soon, and it takes three week's before you can have the second. people who get it early will only start to develop immunity in the first week of the new year, prob longer with a Christmas shut down. Added to that they only have another 40 million doses on order. Thats no where near enough and would only provide protection for less than a 3rd of the population. Considering they are not certain it will prevent transmission, that is worrying.
Even if they get a 100% take up of the vaccine, and they will not get anywhere near that number. That still leaves the lion's share of the population completely unprotected. In all honesty it sounds like a way of giving people hope to try and remain vigilant. In actual fact it seem's to have convinced everyone, even mp's in charge, that this thing will all be over soon. The reality is that it will take until the summer to roll out the first phase of vaccination. I think people need to realize this is going to be way more long term than Easter. Convincing the nation this will all be over soon, the vaccine has arrived.. it just send's entirely the wrong message imo.

Hope you are doing well buddy, keep up the good work. you have more information than the BBC ha ha
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Absolutely right , i dont think you will get piled on like i do when i say it will be summer before everyone that will have it gets it , then the size of the anti vaccers has yet to be seen , people need to recognise that life will not be totally normal till summer at the earliest
 
sniff said:
This isnt anything against you, or knocking your input buddy. you do a great job and i have been following you for month's.

But i honestly think this vaccine is a white elephant. First off, we only have 800k dose's available. So that's only 400k people who can have it soon, and it takes three week's before you can have the second. people who get it early will only start to develop immunity in the first week of the new year, prob longer with a Christmas shut down. Added to that they only have another 40 million doses on order. Thats no where near enough and would only provide protection for less than a 3rd of the population. Considering they are not certain it will prevent transmission, that is worrying.
Even if they get a 100% take up of the vaccine, and they will not get anywhere near that number. That still leaves the lion's share of the population completely unprotected. In all honesty it sounds like a way of giving people hope to try and remain vigilant. In actual fact it seem's to have convinced everyone, even mp's in charge, that this thing will all be over soon. The reality is that it will take until the summer to roll out the first phase of vaccination. I think people need to realize this is going to be way more long term than Easter. Convincing the nation this will all be over soon, the vaccine has arrived.. it just send's entirely the wrong message imo.

Hope you are doing well buddy, keep up the good work. you have more information than the BBC ha ha
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Thank you.

Not been called buddy before afaik. Though old biddy more than once. :)

Either way no offence taken.

This will not be the only vaccine. We will have more and easier to access and deploy ones by January.

I expect fast tracking was a bit of a good news booster concept. Seems to be how politicians function these days. And nobody knows how it will work in the real world yet obviously. But I am optimistic we will be in a better place by April.

If we can curb hospitalisations and deaths in the over 70s in the next 3 months with it then that will transform everything.

Full normality will indeed take a bit longer.
 
blue b4 the moon said:
We've decided especially with Mrs Moon being on the shielded list to have xmas at home,just the two of us.

Seen our lad once since the pandemic kicked in,lives 4 hours away and are meeting him in a National Park the week before halfway between houses to have a distanced walk and exchange gifts.

I just can't get my head around 'It's Christmas' so lets party......I'd much rather wait and party for a more years thank you very much.
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Perfectly sensible too.

I could actually understand though not condone all this stupidity if we were no closer to bearing this thing. If it was likely to be the same next year and the year after I could get my head round why people would effectively be saying "fuck it, in for a penny in for a pound".

When we are just talking a couple of months to see a very big difference there is just no excuse at all to risk your own and every one elses health and if you are genuinely too thick to grasp it, I doubt you are capable of opening a bottle.

I am not in the least bit surprised how stupid people are being after all starting with the panic buyers we have had a procession of various twats for whom other peoples welfare has meant fuck all to.
 
hammocity said:
Having had Covid and being confirmed I have the antibodies I luckily got through it, however it wasn't pleasant and I'd do anything to avoid catching it again. Its not an upgraded flu for those in the vulnerable group the advice to isolate is 100% correct.

Darwin's law is a natural process (how I read it) Covid is man made and is destroying lives and families, there's nothing natural about it, do anything you can to protect yourself, your families and friends.
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Fair point.
 
Healdplace said:
Most elderly people I know would rather be here to celebrate anything in March not die in January because they risked all over Christmas.
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My aunt would beg to differ. She shielded for the 3 months initially and has continued to be very careful ever since.
She is now at the point (has been for weeks to be honest) that "no politician in London" is going to tell her she can't see her grandchildren.
She's a clever woman (retired hospitality manager with over 80 staff) younger than her 72 years and a pragmatist.
She has weighed things up and she is willing to take the chance. She sees life as more meaningful if there is quality over quantity.
She is a stereotypical law abider, normally. She has had enough now though as she thinks if it's going to get her then so be it, but she will safeguard others by not going out. However, nobody will now stop her seeing her grandchildren.
I admire her, and agree.
 
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sniff said:
This isnt anything against you, or knocking your input buddy. you do a great job and i have been following you for month's.

But i honestly think this vaccine is a white elephant. First off, we only have 800k dose's available. So that's only 400k people who can have it soon, and it takes three week's before you can have the second. people who get it early will only start to develop immunity in the first week of the new year, prob longer with a Christmas shut down. Added to that they only have another 40 million doses on order. Thats no where near enough and would only provide protection for less than a 3rd of the population. Considering they are not certain it will prevent transmission, that is worrying.
Even if they get a 100% take up of the vaccine, and they will not get anywhere near that number. That still leaves the lion's share of the population completely unprotected. In all honesty it sounds like a way of giving people hope to try and remain vigilant. In actual fact it seem's to have convinced everyone, even mp's in charge, that this thing will all be over soon. The reality is that it will take until the summer to roll out the first phase of vaccination. I think people need to realize this is going to be way more long term than Easter. Convincing the nation this will all be over soon, the vaccine has arrived.. it just send's entirely the wrong message imo.

Hope you are doing well buddy, keep up the good work. you have more information than the BBC ha ha
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From what I've heard, a hint on here, and something from somewhere else, vaccines won't be a problem they are expecting 10 mill Pfizer in the next month, 30 million more by March,think that gets us to about the 8th group on the 9 group priority list. It's also seems from whats being said we are expecting the Oxford one in the next few weeks. There is an expectation getting through the first 9 groups can be acheived by April. That leaves healthy under 50s not working in health care, essential services to do by the summer.
If we can get through to end of February and into March being disciplined then we can keep deaths down until by April hardly anybody will be being hospitalised or dying in the UK from it.
Think deaths will be at a very low level once we get to group 6
All individuals aged 16 years to 64 years with underlying health conditions which put them at higher risk of serious
disease and mortality 2,200,000
 
mat said:
My council which has been out in tier 3 saw the pound signs and allowed the Christmas market to take place from yesterday. A large group of people hijacked it and turned it into a full scale party which was eventually shut down. Some of them piled into public transport which the staff had no authority to keep your numbers down.

How do they react to this. "Suspend it for one day."

Nottingham City centre was rammed yesterday because of this plus all the numpties buying shit they don't need.

They'll be a huge spike here come Christmas Eve.
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Is it this one?
www.bbc.co.uk

Nottingham's Christmas market closes for the rest of the year

The market in Nottingham closes for the rest of the year, following "unprecedented high footfall".
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
 
mackenzie said:
My aunt would beg to differ. She shielded for the 3 months initially and has continued to be very careful ever since.
She is now at the point (has been for weeks to be honest) that "no politician in London" is going to tell her she can't see her grandchildren.
She's a clever woman (retired hospitality manager with over 80 staff) younger than her 72 years and a pragmatist.
She has weighed things up and she is willing to take the chance. She sees life as more meaningful if there is quality over quantity.
She is a stereotypical law abider, normally. She has had enough now though as she thinks if it's going to get her then so be it, but she will safeguard others by not going out. However, nobody will now stop her seeing her grandchildren.
I admire her, and agree.
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72 is not old and while I understand she is willing to take the risk I don't think she should, another couple of months before she likely gets the vaccine, the odds don't stack up, hope she's ok whatever she does.
 
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