Keir Starmer

Every nation is a nation of mongrels if you use the definition of some on here, trying to argue out the European heritage would apply to every other continent also.

Europe has a culture and within that larger culture there are sub cultures and micro cultures which have been driven by whatever region those practices developed. Europeans invading other Europeans cultures have happened for thousands of years, the same things happened in Africa and Asia are they too lands of mongrels?

There can only be one reason why a vocal minority willingly misinterpret or misrepresent that fact and it's not for scientific reasons.

Let's skip the out of Africa theory and head straight back to the primordial soup and the patch of sludge we all hail from, we can safely assume that it's water in whatever part of the world we sprung from. That way we can forgo the political jiggerpokery and stunning semantic gymnastics we see from some wishing to denigrate any western culture as 'Mixed', 'mongrel'.
 
mexico1970 said:
Every nation is a nation of mongrels if you use the definition of some on here, trying to argue out the European heritage would apply to every other continent also.

Europe has a culture and within that larger culture there are sub cultures and micro cultures which have been driven by whatever region those practices developed. Europeans invading other Europeans cultures have happened for thousands of years, the same things happened in Africa and Asia are they too lands of mongrels?

There can only be one reason why a vocal minority willingly misinterpret or misrepresent that fact and it's not for scientific reasons.

Let's skip the out of Africa theory and head straight back to the primordial soup and the patch of sludge we all hail from, we can safely assume that it's water in whatever part of the world we sprung from. That way we can forgo the political jiggerpokery and stunning semantic gymnastics we see from some wishing to denigrate any western culture as 'Mixed', 'mongrel'.
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It's just pure ignorance.

Thanks to doing one of those ancestry tests, you can clearly see how many modern day English people are descended from the Germanic peoples.

Ignorant twat: "Ahh, so you're admitting to being GERMAN!"

*Sigh*, 'Germanic' and 'German' are not the same thing. For example, Scandinavians and 'Norse' Culture are 'Germanic' in origin! In fact Scandinavians and Anglo-Saxons share the same culture (before the Christianisation of Europe)

*mind-blown!*

As a Germanic Pagan, I hear this shit all the time.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
It's just pure ignorance.

Thanks to doing one of those ancestry tests, you can clearly see how many modern day English people are descended from the Germanic peoples.

Ignorant twat: "Ahh, so you're admitting to being GERMAN!"

*Sigh*, 'Germanic' and 'German' are not the same thing. For example, Scandinavians and 'Norse' Culture are 'Germanic' in origin!

*mind-blown!*

As a Germanic Pagan, I hear this shit all the time.
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It's poor and it's obvious, to be honest I have never met anyone who thinks like that, the same people who seem happy to pat someone of another culture on the back are quick to deny their own.
 
mexico1970 said:
It's poor and it's obvious, to be honest I have never met anyone who thinks like that, the same people who seem happy to pat someone of another culture on the back are quick to deny their own.
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As I say, as a Germanic Pagan, i've met a few, and usually it revolves around the topics of Christmas and Easter.

People can celebrate how they wish at this time of year, IMO, yet I find it funny how often some try to deny me my own celebrations by claiming i'm, "copying" another culture.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
As I say, as a Germanic Pagan, i've met a few, and usually it revolves around the topics of Christmas and Easter.

People can celebrate how they wish at this time of year, IMO, yet I find it funny how often some try to deny me my own celebrations by claiming i'm, "copying" another culture.
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My culture is no better than other cultures and I accept that my culture is as mongrelised as every other culture on the continents of Africa and Asia.

That however will never be good enough.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
As I say, as a Germanic Pagan, i've met a few, and usually it revolves around the topics of Christmas and Easter.

People can celebrate how they wish at this time of year, IMO, yet I find it funny how often some try to deny me my own celebrations by claiming i'm, "copying" another culture.
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As long as you admit it’s the Lord’s birthday on the 25th, you can do as you please :-)
 
Ban-jani said:
As long as you admit it’s the Lord’s birthday on the 25th, you can do as you please :-)
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In fairness not even the Christians admitted that at the time. There was even a big hoohah about it.

But if it gives Christians and others comfort and is what they believe, i'm not going to rock the boat by being an arsehole.

Merry Christmas to all and Yuletide Greetings. Always been my attitude at this time of year. Christmas/Yuletide/Winter Solstice is for any and everyone to enjoy and interpret as they wish.
 
mexico1970 said:
My culture is no better than other cultures and I accept that my culture is as mongrelised as every other culture on the continents of Africa and Asia.

That however will never be good
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No one had slagged off the culture, nobody slagged off the ancestry of people in this isle.

The coment was it is laughable that some using the displacememt theory citIng the indigenous population being replaced

As I said, their isn't one, people came here and made is a home, some cultures that came and settled didn't genetically make a dent on the UK but did culturally instead

Their was a study the other, published in the journal Nature, found that:

  • There was no single 'Celtic' genetic group. In fact the Celtic parts of the UK (Scotland, Northern Ireland, Wales and Cornwall) are among the most different from each other genetically. For example, the Cornish are much more similar genetically to other English groups than they are to the Welsh or the Scots.
  • There are separate genetic groups in Cornwall and Devon, with a division almost exactly along the modern county boundary.
  • The majority of eastern, central and southern England is made up of a single, relatively homogeneous, genetic group with a significant DNA contribution from Anglo-Saxon migrations (10-40% of total ancestry). This settles a historical controversy in showing that the Anglo-Saxons intermarried with, rather than replaced, the existing populations.
  • The population in Orkney emerged as the most genetically distinct, with 25% of DNA coming from Norwegian ancestors. This shows clearly that the Norse Viking invasion (9th century) did not simply replace the indigenous Orkney population.
  • The Welsh appear more similar to the earliest settlers of Britain after the last ice age than do other people in the UK.
  • There is no obvious genetic signature of the Danish Vikings, who controlled large parts of England ('The Danelaw') from the 9th century.
  • There is genetic evidence of the effect of the Landsker line – the boundary between English-speaking people in south-west Pembrokeshire (sometimes known as 'Little England beyond Wales') and the Welsh speakers in the rest of Wales, which persisted for almost a millennium.
  • The analyses suggest there was a substantial migration across the channel after the original post-ice-age settlers, but before Roman times. DNA from these migrants spread across England, Scotland, and Northern Ireland, but had little impact in Wales.
  • Many of the genetic clusters show similar locations to the tribal groupings and kingdoms around end of the 6th century, after the settlement of the Anglo-Saxons, suggesting these tribes and kingdoms may have maintained a regional identity for many centuries.

National identity has been formed by those many cultures that have setttled here and this Island is much bettter for it.

It does not diminsh our heritage or culture to accept that we are and have always been a richly muticultural Island.
why people get so hung up on these things I don't know.

People have inhabited britain for 12000 years, for over a 1000 years it has been predominently anglo saxon and christian before that it will have had many incarnations, if it one day becomes something else, so be it.

I will be dead long before that happens anyway.


The human race needs to tear down these labels and learn to live as one species in my opinion.


For now though the nation is what it is, you can either be proud to be part of it or not.

Personally I am proud to be English/British and of my celtic Irish heritage from my ancestors.
 
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mexico1970 said:
Every nation is a nation of mongrels if you use the definition of some on here, trying to argue out the European heritage would apply to every other continent also.
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Yes because nations are artificial constructs, borders are artificial constructs,
mexico1970 said:
Europe has a culture and within that larger culture there are sub cultures and micro cultures which have been driven by whatever region those practices developed. Europeans invading other Europeans cultures have happened for thousands of years, the same things happened in Africa and Asia are they too lands of mongrels?
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I doubt very much any culture remains untouched unless there are undicovered tribes in the Amazon that worship tree frogs or something
mexico1970 said:
There can only be one reason why a vocal minority willingly misinterpret or misrepresent that fact and it's not for scientific reasons.
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What reason is that?
mexico1970 said:
Let's skip the out of Africa theory and head straight back to the primordial soup and the patch of sludge we all hail from, we can safely assume that it's water in whatever part of the world we sprung from. That way we can forgo the political jiggerpokery and stunning semantic gymnastics we see from some wishing to denigrate any western culture as 'Mixed', 'mongrel'.
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Who is denigrating?

Why are you so attached to something so indistinct. Can you even explain what your culture is?
 
PannickAtTheDisco said:
love all the anthropologists out in force. Maybe they'll turn their hand to biology at some much needed point
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To be fair the anthropological side of the debate was fairly interesting stemming as it did from Starmer 'missing the opportunity ' to call out someone proposing apartheid on a radio show. It suddenly went downhill over imaginary forces cancelling traditional festivities... I think they call it culture wars or something ... no idea who started it ?
 
Postman Pep said:
To be fair the anthropological side of the debate was fairly interesting stemming as it did from Starmer 'missing the opportunity ' to call out someone proposing apartheid on a radio show. It suddenly went downhill over imaginary forces cancelling traditional festivities... I think they call it culture wars or something ... no idea who started it ?
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Starmer is far too clever to get dragged into a phone argument with someone that thick and delusional.

He changed the tone to minorities with grievances in the UK and as someone aspiring to be PM, didn’t get dragged into a needless bigoted conversation.

This is what Labour have needed for years, a professional, over some scruffy Israel obsessed trot, who couldn’t win a general election to save his life.
 
Another comrade purged this morning for having the audacity of allowing a debate on EHRC report in his CLP meeting.
 
Postman Pep said:
. I think they call it culture wars or something ... no idea who started it ?
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Spiked and there collection of dimwits are one of the drivers, Spiked is of course funded by the Koch brothers.

Yesterday's offering was that a school in San Fransisco is dropping the name Abraham Lincoln High because he did nothing for Black Lives Matter. The article went on to claim Lincoln abolished slavery with the emancipation proclamation. I would have thought most people thought he had abolished slavery, but he was not an abolitionist.

The piece was laughable, but it is another attempt to stir the culture war pot. People will be outraged by the thought of removing his name from the High school, there will be claims of cultural marxism and left wing infiltration of the high school and all the other shit that the culture war propagators love to spout.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
The 'French' never migrated to England. Normans were not French, they were Scandinavian.

They adopted the language after trading with the French after conquering Northern France, and renamed it Normandy. (After the Normans or 'Norsemen')
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Ironically, William 1st was responsible for Viking demise here, as I outlined,
he was actually slaughtering his own kind, but by this time Norman French had
no affiliations with them. The Harrying of the north was absolutely devastating, Cheshire, Lancashire and Yorkshire were smoking ruins, the population left decimated.
Mëtal Bikër said:
To summerise, neither the Normans, Romans or Vikings bonked around enough to leave a lasting genetic heritage in the UK. If there is any, it's around the 5% figure.
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This is true, when people list the Romans, Vikings and Normans as major factors in our genetic make up they are wrong, it's only tiny. Roman governors, and the elite didn't marry Brits, they mixed with their own kind, the soldiery may have to a small extent, but again, major Roman settlements, like Chester, simply traded with and and used local labour.
The Normans were almost exclusively separated, they built castles, installed Norman lords and generally lorded over us, any liasons were with their own
kind.
Mëtal Bikër said:
People tend to underestimate just how much the Angles, Saxons and Jutes dominated and reshaped the cultural aspect of the islands, how far the culture reached and that they had been arriving in England during Roman Occupation and that it stepped up several gears once they knew the Romans were leaving. T
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They are by a long way our biggest influence, but native Brit DNA is quite strong in the far west.
 
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