They could do an all postal vote election but that would favour Labour so they will bottle it and postpone them again.
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gordondaviesmoustache
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Having idiots running the country is principally a function of the electoral system have have. Nothing will really change until it does.
Marina Hyde:
My favourite ever political doorstep question came from Michael Crick, who greeted a certain New Labour figure with the early morning salutation: “Will you be telling any LIES today, Mr Mandelson?” It only needs light repurposing to apply currently to almost every Conservative MP, who should really spend Christmas being greeted by their spouse at the breakfast table with the inquiry: “Good morning, dear. Will you be telling any lies to yourself today?”
The answer, as it was with Peter Mandelson, is a decided: yes. Yes, very much so. I will be leading myself right up the garden path this morning, then taking myself for a ride this afternoon.
The sheer volume of bullshit that Tory MPs are currently required to feed themselves and swallow includes the notion that they’re getting out of tier 3 soon;
that they’re getting out of tier 3 in February;
that they’re getting out of tier 3 in March (wake up, guys!);
that there isn’t effectively going to be a tier 4 AND another national lockdown;
that Rishi Sunak is extending the furlough scheme to the end of April but tiers are going to be just a distant memory by April;
that this lot aren’t likely to significantly cock up the vaccine rollout;
that any Brexit deal Boris Johnson may or may not deliver imminently is good;
that said deal or no deal will address all their concerns and demands;
that it will address even ANY of their concerns and demands;
that it is absolutely the best thing for Britain to be doing;
that it is absolutely the best thing for Britain to be doing right now in the middle of all this;
and that Johnson gives one hundredth of a toss about a single one of them.
And there's more:
www.theguardian.com
My favourite ever political doorstep question came from Michael Crick, who greeted a certain New Labour figure with the early morning salutation: “Will you be telling any LIES today, Mr Mandelson?” It only needs light repurposing to apply currently to almost every Conservative MP, who should really spend Christmas being greeted by their spouse at the breakfast table with the inquiry: “Good morning, dear. Will you be telling any lies to yourself today?”
The answer, as it was with Peter Mandelson, is a decided: yes. Yes, very much so. I will be leading myself right up the garden path this morning, then taking myself for a ride this afternoon.
The sheer volume of bullshit that Tory MPs are currently required to feed themselves and swallow includes the notion that they’re getting out of tier 3 soon;
that they’re getting out of tier 3 in February;
that they’re getting out of tier 3 in March (wake up, guys!);
that there isn’t effectively going to be a tier 4 AND another national lockdown;
that Rishi Sunak is extending the furlough scheme to the end of April but tiers are going to be just a distant memory by April;
that this lot aren’t likely to significantly cock up the vaccine rollout;
that any Brexit deal Boris Johnson may or may not deliver imminently is good;
that said deal or no deal will address all their concerns and demands;
that it will address even ANY of their concerns and demands;
that it is absolutely the best thing for Britain to be doing;
that it is absolutely the best thing for Britain to be doing right now in the middle of all this;
and that Johnson gives one hundredth of a toss about a single one of them.
And there's more:
It’s Christmas in the Conservative party – time to sling another fib on the fire | Marina Hyde
From the tier system to the Brexit deal or no deal, Tory MPs have an incredibly busy schedule of self-deception to juggle, says Guardian columnist Marina Hyde
www.theguardian.com
I know several self employed people, who are good mates and so it is a little personal to me... however I really don’t know what they could have done as there needs to be tangible evidence of employment for them to give public money out.
I know one or two of those on the fringe left on here think they should give every man, woman and child money for nothing, regardless of evidence of them ever earning it but they have to be pragmatic with the deficit, which is absolutely fucked as it is.
People haven’t been paying themselves as employees and that’s why there’s no evidence of it.
The furlough scheme and vaccination speed is what they deserve a lot of credit for, one or two further lockdowns were done in time too but the majority of this year has been a shit show... the last week of letting London run until it needed to go up two tiers and a No Deal Brexit, complete what has been a dire showing from supposedly the most fit people to run our country.
We need to get rid of them and fast.
It's probably a discussion for another thread, but I feel like they could've used dividends as evidence of earnings for small limited company directors, or been creative in other ways. To basically say tough shit to so many people (as many as three million by all accounts) isn't acceptable. They're supposed to be the party of business, but have left many entrepreneurs with no income for nine months. To compound the problem, other self employed people are allowed to claim a grant of £2500 per month and carry on earning. It's a mess of their own making.
Anyway, wholeheartedly agree that we need to get rid of them, but with that parliamentary majority and no election due until 2024 it's not happening any time soon.
jay_mcfc
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So did they know about this new mutation in September as has been reported? But Boris and Hancock are saying they only knew about it last weekend?
I don't like the modern day hysteria about trying to get people sacked for every minor problem but how do either of them survive if the former is true? If they've sat on that for three months to the point that the UK is where it is now as a result of not acting, they have to go.
I don't like the modern day hysteria about trying to get people sacked for every minor problem but how do either of them survive if the former is true? If they've sat on that for three months to the point that the UK is where it is now as a result of not acting, they have to go.
Len Rum
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This is the problem with being a Billy no mates country in the middle of a global crisis.
There's no one there to catch you when you're falling.
There's no one there to catch you when you're falling.
gordondaviesmoustache
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Live by the sword...
Fred_Quimby
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They knew about the new mutation last September but only linked it to the rapid spread recently. The new mutation is a distraction; this government was warned at the time that a 5 day Christmas would be a disaster, the only difference is that it has come earlier.
All coronavirus mutate; flu is a coronavirus and that is why we have different flu jabs. All models on coronavirus have an element built in for mutation, it is all part of the problem of trying to control the spread so blaming the mutation is a red herring from their poor handling. Yet again they have acted late. I don’t understand Johnson, is he to scared to making a decision and only does so when he has no other option? So many people will not see this Christmas because of his handling of this crisis, so many families will have lost loved ones.
Stay save everyone.
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Is there anyone on here that is seriously stupid enough to need govt guidance? Surely by now we all realise that the virus spreads like a cold and is a bit like flu/pneumonia and kills folk? Due to this it's probably worth staying indoors and minimising travel/social contact until we get the vaccine.
I don't know what other countries are like. But we truly are a nation of infants. I think the Govt should just tell people to do what they like - we all know the risks, and let Darwin do it's thing.
I don't know what other countries are like. But we truly are a nation of infants. I think the Govt should just tell people to do what they like - we all know the risks, and let Darwin do it's thing.
Fame Monster
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I think Gov't guidance would make me a feel a little less guilty if I make a decision that backfires but I'm not in breach of the rules.
For example, have the Gov't give any guidance on sending Xmas cards? I live next door to a couple in their 90s and would feel guilty if I didn't get them a Xmas card but at the same time, with my tickly throat at the minute, I fear I could be sending them a fucking death warrant. So for me, I'm gonna wait until the Gov't have decided their fate.
Weird that we bother with any laws at all seeming as we all are sensible and know you shouldn't rape or murder anyone
dave_blue12
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There really is no end to the incompetence
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I see your point, but the situation with the virus is constantly changing so the Govt are constantly reacting and therefore one step behind. I think on some level we draw comfort from thinking we can dictate terms to a virus through governance. If we all just got enoughfood and water to survive for a month and didn't come out of our houses and stopped international travel (in or out) the virus would be gone. Obviously this isn't practical so we have to accept sub optimal outcomes until the vaccine. Meanwhile idiots insider tiers sit in pubs for six hours having ten pints and posting photos of their substantial meal on SM thinking they are winning and then wondering why they are in tier 4 a week later.
bluethrunthru
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Lock her up ! Lock her up !
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