Coronavirus (2021) thread

[BlueAnorak]

I don't see what boris is getting at with saying we should expect more severe restrictions soon. Then on the other hand he says send the kids back from tomorrow. Fortunately our primary school doesn't restart until the 11th, but what else is left now, apart from full lockdown again?

For months the only trips my family have made are to school, the shops for food and essentials, and checking on elderly family members and neighbours from the end of their driveway, and the occasional walk in local woodlands plus one trip to pick up a takeaway. Maybe were not the target of fresh restrictions, but the lack of clarity and this game of hints and tips is just bloody frustrating and created confusion and stress even if we are not sure it affected. Oh, for some clarity from our leaders.

Are there any places still open which are not essential now in tier 4? I just don't get it, and by coming out with such sound bytes the buffon just fuels fear. Say what the problem is, say who is the problem, and then restrict it as much as possible, and enforce it. Don't have the whole bloody nation guessing if they have to iron school uniforms, buy in food for school lunches, start rearranging work plans and meetings or not. I'm preparing for some surgery this week which will knock me sideways for a while, will it go ahead? Who knows, they certainly won't be telling us until five seconds before I'd bet.

Although in an odd way this could work out interestingly for us. The grandparents have been isolating for weeks prior to Christmas to ensure we could have that one day, so have the kids since school. If they do delay schools again we could conceivably have had over two weeks of isolation which would enable the grandparents to have the kids again if there is no school, except the no mixing rule of course.

Right now we have no choice but to get behind the initiatives and hope the collective actions of those following rules outweighs the actions of those who are not, but once the dust settles and we can see the damage of some of this dithering and lack of clarity, I'd say the results and impact will be near criminal.

I understand why the government wants kids back at school. But the sad fact is, we can't send the kids back to school till school testing is in place clamp down on outbreaks PDQ.
Work testing needs to be done as well
But what other restrictions can be put in place. The only thing that could improve things is to take Covidiots out of circulation and frankly the police don't have the resources to do that.

 

[MaineDAWG2008]

must watch

 

[kaz7]

i can just add that while they provaricate and worry about 1 or 2 people having reactions another 800 or so die every day. The entire country should be on a war footing and it so clearly isnt. We should be enroling vets and dentists to give the jab in their places of work. Doesnt need to be hospitals. we appear to be worrying about doing things the correct way while yet more people die. Pointless.

God sake this is science , this and the vaccines will be talked about in hundreds of years time , if we want to do it successfully there has to be an order , rules , scientific observation into how it works in the general population . We could not have the tanker of a new vaccine rollout ready until we are ready to go , discounting using hospitals is ridiculous .
Less haste more speed

 

[roubaixtuesday]

has anyone heard of the drug ivermectin, studies online show its proven to fight SARS and COVID 19

In which case you will be able to post a link to a scientific study or regulatory approval.

Youtube videos don't count, just to be clear.

 

[chesterbells]

This is my biggest concern over schools being open. It contradicts government advice.

Secondary school age children cannot go into a shop without a mask but do not have to wear one in school.

You must keep a 1+ meter distance at all times but students can share a desk and sit 30cm apart.

No household mixing in tier 4 but year groups with cohorts of 300 students are all allowed to freely mix at break and lunchtimes. With no social distancing.

I personally think that, after a short 3 week lockdown, schools can and should reopen. But on the premise that schools must follow the same guidelines as wider society as much as possible. That would mean making drastic changes from the current provision.

The very children who are most involved in spread are of an age (post puberty) where they could stay and work at home without their parents needing to take time off work aren’t they? Ie 14-18 year olds.
Couldn’t 11-13 year olds return into the school buildings, more distanced and spread out, and they older ones do remote learning?

 

[roubaixtuesday]

In which case you will be able to post a link to a scientific study or regulatory approval.

Youtube videos don't count, just to be clear.

For those interested, ivermectin is being studied, but is at a relatively early stage of evaluation and very far from "proven".

Claims of efficacy have been reported as fraudulent in reputable journals.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjADegQIBxAB&usg=AOvVaw0f40ySsdTYqZiwI5XVmSpd

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[kaz7]

If you drive with Covid. Could your number plate be traced ?

Why would you drive ? You should be in isolation

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

God sake this is science , this and the vaccines will be talked about in hundreds of years time , if we want to do it successfully there has to be an order , rules , scientific observation into how it works in the general population . We could not have the tanker of a new vaccine rollout ready until we are ready to go , discounting using hospitals is ridiculous .
Less haste more speed

You are entitled to your view as am I. I happen to believe they could have started vacinating with the AZ vaccine 3 days earlier if they had planned things correctly. Its what i would have ensured had i been in Boris's shoes.

Its nothing whatsoever to do with science Kaz, its just good efficient project management of logistics. Why dont you understand this?

Why is discounting hospitals ridiculous. I have had loads of injections in my time and few if any have been in hospitals.

I am surprised at you Kaz in so far as you think a delay, that you cant explain and one which will result in an extra several thousand deaths, is acceptable.

 

[MaineDAWG2008]

In which case you will be able to post a link to a scientific study or regulatory approval.

Youtube videos don't count, just to be clear.

plenty research out there man

ClinicalTrials.gov

clinicaltrials.gov

and more studies and research.

 

[Healdplace]

England hospital deaths 386 - up from 231 last Sunday.

 

[shilly8903]

You’re not quite sure which tier you’re in yet you have a simple plan for the education of our children. I might not take you up on that plan if it’s all the same. Ta

I knew it was tier 4 but the previous poster didnt seem so sure about tiers that is if I read his post correctly so I was trying to word my post it in a polite manner. Dont worry pal I'm not running government or making decisions so I think your safe on that front, it would be pretty difficult not to know what tier you are in, like I say I trying not be rude and shoot someone down. Ta

 

[shilly8903]

Ignorance on a stunning scale.

Like I've already said I got it wrong, I honestly thought teachers were off when children were off minus bits of marking and such, apologies.

 

[kaz7]

You are entitled to your view as am I. I happen to believe they could have started vacinating with the AZ vaccine 3 days earlier if they had planned things correctly. Its what i would have ensured had i been in Boris's shoes.

Its nothing whatsoever to do with science Kaz, its just good efficient project management of logistics. Why dont you understand this?

Why is discounting hospitals ridiculous. I have had loads of injections in my time and few if any have been in hospitals.

I am surprised at you Kaz in so far as you think a delay, that you cant explain and one which will result in an extra several thousand deaths, is acceptable.

I just , unlike you , understand rolling out mass vaccinations has to be right ,i also understand first hand the difficulties of getting millions to places to be vaccinated that is safe for all , remember everyone is still spreading it around , going for a vaccine does not make you less contageous , do you want to pack into anywhere right now . i wont patronise you but you are clueless and seem in a panic

 

[roubaixtuesday]

plenty research out there man

ClinicalTrials.gov

clinicaltrials.gov

and more studies and research.

Absolutely. Indeed my son volunteered to be on one such trial.

But none have proven efficacy to date. It's an interesting possibility, but nothing more.

The study you link to is ongoing, not complete, only a phase 2 study and only in 100 subjects.

 

[Claytop]

must watch

Anyone watched this with a summary of this drug they’re talking about.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Why would you drive ? You should be in isolation

did i say i was driving with covid ??

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Anyone watched this with a summary of this drug they’re talking about.

Ivermectin is an insecticidal drug (it has structure similar to some antibiotics) that's been around for a long time.

Edit: it says that it's been tried but not in a controlled trial. There is some suggestion that it was beneficial, but in a very small set in Florida, and with the drug administered with some other drugs rather than alone, possibly a 10% benefit. It had also been used in India/Egypt but without citing any detail other than being possibly to a larger number.
Oddly, the introduction of one paper he took a run at looked to say that remdesivir and convalescent plasma were not beneficial (which seems contrasting to other trials, and was not assessed as part of the study).

I think it's one of many attempts made where multiple things have been tried - "if one antiviral looks like it did something, let's try another one and see if it does anything". No-one's done any professional trials, and IMO this could be good or could be hydroxychloroquine all over again.

 

[Healdplace]

England hospital deaths 3 wks v 2 wks v last wk v TODAY:- TOTAL REPORTED / NW ONLY / NW % OF ENGLAND TOTAL

159 / 24 NW / 15%

266 / 44 NW / 17%

231 / 29 NW / 13%

386 / 45 NW / 12% TODAY

 

[kaz7]

did i say i was driving with covid ??

Why ask the question ? Seemed a strange one

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

I just , unlike you , understand rolling out mass vaccinations has to be right ,i also understand first hand the difficulties of getting millions to places to be vaccinated that is safe for all , remember everyone is still spreading it around , going for a vaccine does not make you less contageous , do you want to pack into anywhere right now . i wont patronise you but you are clueless and seem in a panic

Really, clueless and in a panic? I just happen to work in a job where are clients expect us to meet tight deadlines in programmes and we plan ahead and ensure we do.

Rather than trying to belittle people why dont you give me the benefit of your experience in rolling out vaccines and explain what has been happening in the last four days since approval?

Come on explain? Also explain what 'science' has to do with loading vaccines onto refridgerated transport and sending it to vaccine centres??

Specifically please explain what has been done the last four days that couldnt have been done the previous four mths in readiness.

I wont hold my breath as i suspect you will do a runner and avoid the questions like you do everytime you get called to explain something in a discussion.