Coronavirus (2021) thread

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BlueAnorak said:
Care homes, work and in-house transmission from the school and shopping superspread events before Christmas mainly.
Christmas didnt do much in the great scheme of things.
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People mixing in households etc.

I think over the last month this has been a real issue.

A mate of mine has said he knows so many people who had gatherings and parties for NYE.

He didn’t to be fair to him but got invited to a load.
 
Rammy Blue said:
Might have ready been mentioned, but apologies if that’s the case, however I’ve just read that one of the increased restrictions “potentially being brought in“ is a return to the 2 metre social distancing rule rather than the 1 metre plus.

Really?

That’s hysterical.

I despair.
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It has been in Scotland I think. Maybe because the new variant is more easily caught?
 
kaz7 said:
You dont hear much about gloves but i have always worn single use ones , to the pharmacy etc , use sanitiser on them on the way in and out , right or wrong ? Any use or not ?
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Been thinking about the masks.

They’re either not working much or without them we’d be even more screwed.
 
Ban-jani said:
Just read this from CNBC, someone shared it on Twitter, although it seems it was written this moaning too.


The good news I’ve seen, is someone from Oxford University, who helped on the current one, said even if the current vaccine doesn’t work, they can amend it which should only take a month-6 weeks, to cope with mutations.
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This approach is the basis for the seasonal flu vaccine.
 
kaz7 said:
You dont hear much about gloves but i have always worn single use ones , to the pharmacy etc , use sanitiser on them on the way in and out , right or wrong ? Any use or not ?
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Advice I've seen is that gloves are as easily contaminated as hands, so offer little or no protection and may even be counterproductive. Only recommended in clinical settings.

Better to wash hands, or sanitise if soap/ water not readily available.
 
kaz7 said:
Whatever he says lets not overeact , we now have the carrot of the vaccine it is rightt here in front of us , shirley we can all hunker down and get on with it for hopefully one of if not the last lockdown,it has to be done , it should have been done weeks ago
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im all for one last lockdown. But i fall into the category of 3 million who dont receive a penny in assistance if im stopped working (in peoples houses) . Im sat here torn between knowing its needed and worrying sick about how im going to put food on the table. Its a horrible.
 
grunge said:
Yeah I was trying to find the older data. they were highlighting 5 days as subject to change so I guess after 5 days its probably stable enough to count as done.

I'll be keeping an eye on that page for a while to see how its panning out. see if 30th starts to jump up. doesn't even show the last 4 days.
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for many months pre-xmas, 5 days after a date pretty much guaranteed >95% (over 99% really) of all cases for that date. i thought it would be more chaotic and would take until the end of the week but looks like they're really on it.

as for the date reported, the 'Cases by date reported' graph is up to date showing today's 58.7k, but if you want to know how that 58.7k goes back through time, you need to dig around twitter etc (ask Healdplace maybe), i think they stopped publishing it on the NHS England site

edit: you can do it in the 'Download Data' section of the covid dashboard, it'll be fiddly if you cant use the API but it's all there
 
03 March 2002 said:
This approach is the basis for the seasonal flu vaccine.
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Again forgive my ignorance, but what happens in the period where a vaccine evasive mutation first arrives (NOT when first noticed as these are 2 different things) and the end of that 6 week period or so where a new vaccine is not only produced but effectively rolled out to the population? Is there a potential for a catastrophic spread of infections during that period or the potential for further lockdowns every time this sort of thing takes place? Again, apologies if this sounds stupid.
 
03 March 2002 said:
This approach is the basis for the seasonal flu vaccine.
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its estimated that 710k die with or a result of flu and flu like symptoms each year on average but could be as many as twice this amount in especially virulent ones.

Covid is like a really bad flu season more easily transmitted with a lot more media exposure.
 
From the Graun blog

According to the Financial Times (paywall), which says it has been briefed by “several Whitehall officials”, cabinet ministers agreed this afternoon that “primary and secondary schools would probably close until the mid-February half-term break”.

This is welcome if true but genuine weapons grade incompetence.

Just before Christmas the govt was taking schools to court for closing.

Just yesterday(!) Johnson was saying how important it was for children to attend.

Today they close schools for 6 weeks.

Beggars belief.
 
Ban-jani said:
Just read this from CNBC, someone shared it on Twitter, although it seems it was written this moaning too.


The good news I’ve seen, is someone from Oxford University, who helped on the current one, said even if the current vaccine doesn’t work, they can amend it which should only take a month-6 weeks, to cope with mutations.
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Yep and it’s entirely normal for there to be amendments to the vaccine.

As I said earlier, I work for a company involved in the vaccine rollout and the potential is now there to get this both rolled out quickly and also the process in place for subsequent rollouts. My concern is the volume of unnecessary deaths until we get to that point though.

Allowing schools to open today, for example, if he shuts them down tonight or later in the week is just negligent and will have unnecessary consequences.
 
marcus said:
im all for one last lockdown. But i fall into the category of 3 million who dont receive a penny in assistance if im stopped working (in peoples houses) . Im sat here torn between knowing its needed and worrying sick about how im going to put food on the table. Its a horrible.
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I am really sorry you find yourself in this position , nobody should have been left without support whilst recognising it might not have been possible in the system we have , essential jobs still need doing so i hope you can find a way to keep going
 
ayrshire_blue said:
Again forgive my ignorance, but what happens in the period where a vaccine evasive mutation first arrives (NOT when first noticed as these are 2 different things) and the end of that 6 week period or so where a new vaccine is not only produced but effectively rolled out to the population? Is there a potential for a catastrophic spread of infections during that period or the potential for further lockdowns every time this sort of thing takes place? Again, apologies if this sounds stupid.
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Vaccines won't eliminate Covid , it won't limit its spread or ease of transmisison.

it is designed to assist the affected fight the disease more effectively than current virals etc.

In short reduce the death rate from or with the virus.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
Yup. That's the trajectory we're on. Run through the whole population before vaccinating.
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I wonder what the worst case scenario is if this happens. We were told at the start by Imperial College to expect 500,000 deaths if we just went for herd immunity. Presumably with a case fatality rate of about 1 per cent that figure is not wildly out.
 
kaz7 said:
Proper lockdown i mean, sage wanted it in sept , the tier system was not a bad idea in theory but there is far too many loop holes , we needed to be to!d like we were in march , as it is we are behind again and there has been hundreds if not thousands of needless deaths and people stuck with long covid
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Thing is the lockdown in march wasnta proper lockdown for the first few days most people only only essential work could carry on. But what boris said only if you cant work from home ! Which is a huge part of the population had to go back, builders, gardeners, almost any one who disbt work in an office and we have stopped ! Ok the hospitality industry etc closed but it is now in tier 4, but believe me in tier 4 the roads are packed.
I dont know what the answer is I am hoping he says all 60yrs and above self isolate I could do with a break ;)
 
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