Coronavirus (2021) thread

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ayrshire_blue said:
There's something I don't get regarding the new variant. They've found isolated cases of it in various EU countries, but for some reason it's not spread there anything like it has over here. It sounds as though they've been really really lucky and managed to catch the only very few cases withinn these other countries before it's spread any further, which seems unlikely given how transmissible we're told it is.

Even with the banning of UK flights etc, surely the chances are it was too late and already spreading, but we're not seeing that in daily figures at all?
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The Kent variant is thought to have formed in an immune-compromised patient who was given very extended convalascent plasma treatment. I think it started to circulate back in September 2020.

Exponential growth from very low levels i.e. a handful of cases is at first slow.
 
ayrshire_blue said:
Even still, they were finding 50k cases in France of the 'original' strain per day not too long ago, it's inconceivable that they're now reporting 10k cases per day (or 4k in yesterday's case!) if this new strain is over there, and also seems equally as inconceivable that the new strain *wouldn't* be over there. I take BA's point on board about population density, but even with that factor it just seems all a bit strange. I'm in no way calling conspiracy or some shite btw, just puzzled by this.
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Just looking at Frances numbers they seemed to peak cases end of Oct and deaths in Nov is it possible it was there then and blew itself out?
 
Vaccinations need to be done properly. Getting Hermes to drop a needle at your house is so obviously not going to happen. First van out of the depot is gonna get hijacked and vaccines will be on Ebay within 20 minutes. Grandmas will be giving it their grandkids etc they have to go to the right people first otherwise we solve nothing
 
Tim of the Oak said:
This is E-learning for Health (Government funded) courses that tend to be over the top. Most of these courses can be completed on-line quickly.

For NHS Trusts, getting staff to complete these stat and man courses contributes to reducing their insurance bills. All these courses might be overkill for volunteers, though.
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Taking away the vaccine specific courses the rest are mandatory requirements for anyone working in the NHS.
Anyone who decides not to volunteer based on having to complete half a days online training is probably doing the right thing. I can’t imagine there’s many. It appears to me that this issue is being used as yet another stick to beat the NHS with by those with ulterior motives.
The workload in the NHS is heavily unbalanced at the moment. There’s plenty staff who’s daily routine has been greatly reduced whilst others have had an increase. If properly managed there’s enough already employed members of staff that could administer the vaccines. The amount of volunteers needed will be relatively small.
 
grunge said:
You have to be monitored for 15 mins post injection to monitor for any allergic reactions.
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Hopefully when they've given a few million doses without incident they can get rid of this as it's the biggest reason GP offices can't do the vaccine - they don't have 2 waiting rooms or the space to keep people for 15 minutes.
 
domalino said:
Hopefully when they've given a few million doses without incident they can get rid of this as it's the biggest reason GP offices can't do the vaccine - they don't have 2 waiting rooms or the space to keep people for 15 minutes.
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I had my flu and pneumonia inoculations through a window in the surgery car park.
 
domalino said:
Hopefully when they've given a few million doses without incident they can get rid of this as it's the biggest reason GP offices can't do the vaccine - they don't have 2 waiting rooms or the space to keep people for 15 minutes.
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Don't know about anywhere else but Sturgeon mentioned yesterday in her statement that the Louisa Jordan (Nightingale equivalent)in the SECC Glasgow was being used for vaccinations.
 
domalino said:
That's because they've done about 500m of those per year worldwide for 20+ years and know it's safe to just stick someone and send them home.
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The process is the same, and enough people have had the jab for them to know just how many people have adverse reactions to the jab.

I mentioned it though to explain that you don't need 2 waiting rooms, it can be delivered in exactly the same way.
 
Pedestrian said:
Taking away the vaccine specific courses the rest are mandatory requirements for anyone working in the NHS.
Anyone who decides not to volunteer based on having to complete half a days online training is probably doing the right thing. I can’t imagine there’s many. It appears to me that this issue is being used as yet another stick to beat the NHS with by those with ulterior motives.
The workload in the NHS is heavily unbalanced at the moment. There’s plenty staff who’s daily routine has been greatly reduced whilst others have had an increase. If properly managed there’s enough already employed members of staff that could administer the vaccines. The amount of volunteers needed will be relatively small.
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Thanks and I agree with you Pedestrian. I used to fill in the stat and man myself when I worked in the Health Sector. I even sold quite a lot of it in a previous role. FWIW, I also completed several e-learning courses when I volunteered in the Justice Sector to help ex offenders so it’s not unique to Health. That said, some E-learning for Health Courses were overkill, maybe because their developments didn’t have the commercial constraints of independent providers.

My take is that I the authorities could gear up to vaccinating 2 or 3 million people per week (subject to supply of the vaccines) within weeks. Similar numbers were being achieved with the Covid tests, that although a different process to deliver, is probably just as complex.
 
Tim of the Oak said:
Thanks and I agree with you Pedestrian. I used to fill in the stat and man myself when I worked in the Health Sector. I even sold quite a lot of it in a previous role. FWIW, I also completed several e-learning courses when I volunteered in the Justice Sector to help ex offenders so it’s not unique to Health. That said, some E-learning for Health Courses were overkill, maybe because their developments didn’t have the commercial constraints of independent providers.

My take is that I the authorities could gear up to vaccinating 2 or 3 million people per week (subject to supply of the vaccines) within weeks. Similar numbers were being achieved with the Covid tests, that although a different process to deliver, is probably just as complex.
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I predict mass vaccination hubs similar to the testing hubs. Even drive through vaccinations at sports stadiums/arenas with large parking areas to monitor those that need it. The logistical expertise is available in the military as are the personnel to man the hubs. If the NHS and military could work together a mass roll out could be possible. It won’t happen though. Nor will 2 millions vaccinations per week. The management of this virus at local level mirrors the shit show at national level.
 
Pedestrian said:
GP surgeries have been administering the vaccine since Dec.

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I know, I think you've seen me write " some GP surgeries" and thought I meant "all GP surgeries".


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GPs have been forced into an 11th-hour overhaul of plans to deliver COVID-19 vaccines after the MHRA ruled that all patients given the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine must be observed for 15 minutes.
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Tim of the Oak said:
Thanks and I agree with you Pedestrian. I used to fill in the stat and man myself when I worked in the Health Sector. I even sold quite a lot of it in a previous role. FWIW, I also completed several e-learning courses when I volunteered in the Justice Sector to help ex offenders so it’s not unique to Health. That said, some E-learning for Health Courses were overkill, maybe because their developments didn’t have the commercial constraints of independent providers.

My take is that I the authorities could gear up to vaccinating 2 or 3 million people per week (subject to supply of the vaccines) within weeks. Similar numbers were being achieved with the Covid tests, that although a different process to deliver, is probably just as complex.
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Good points Tim. I'm not clued up on the inner workings of the NHS and whether 3 million a week is a realistic figure but just to take an example, my boss's wife is administering the vaccine starting from today. However, she was effectively sat around for the previous few days doing nothing despite saying she was available and was prepared to put in extra hours to do it as well. From what I can gather, it wasn't a supply issue either that was preventing her from starting vaccinating sooner.
 
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