Coronavirus (2021) thread

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blueparrot said:
Don’t think there will be much evasion, what there is though will be more younger middle aged, than over 65s.
Ever older person I’ve spoken to can’t wait to get it and start making the most of their later years. And though it sounds a bit morbid, seeing their friends and saying goodbye to their friends sick in hospitals / care homes or at funerals, they are finding not doing that that the most upsetting.
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Vaccine evasion relates to the antibodies which the vaccine generate in everyone and the change in confirmation of a variant which can chnage significantly enough so that antibodies no longer are able to neutralise it (they basically bind to it And then change the confirmation of the complex so it can no longer function).
 
I can’t get my head around why we’re still not doing mandatory testing at airports.
 
domalino said:
Over 90% of the deaths come from the 12.3m people over 65 years.

Given how many have already been done, roughly 5 weeks of 2 million vaccines a week and this pandemic is effectively over.
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Holy shit. Not a chance mate. Seriously. So optimistic about how quickly and effectively the vaccines will help us achieve immunity.

Factors out the door and down the street why that would not be the case. Organise that many voluntary jabs in a concentrated time? We have nothing in infrastructure and no experience like that. Training people?

Just getting the vulnerable groups in an orderly and timely fashion is going to be a miracle in practise. Seriously, as impressive as it gets.

Think on. There's no way of forcing people to get it quickly. And many will want to wait and see. Or won't, can't make time. Missed second appointments. Failed jabs. Poor reactions, coincidental illnesses, huge scare stories.

Then, uhh. 12 week gap for Oxford second dose. Nowhere near enough supply of any of these globally. Every batch being fought for by more than just governments.

General risk of unprecedented viral loads about to reach untold heights.

And nothing, nothing proven in the field.

Whew.

My dream scenario is no lockdowns next winter, and long covid not wrecking the next 12 months for 2m otherwise fit and healthy people. That is considered the height of optimism around here.

5 weeks???? I can't get a regular appointment at a GP in 5 weeks. There were 18 people queing on the phone at 11 am today. And it's been like that all year!
 
middlewichblue said:
national lockdown or volunteers form the hospitality industry who cannot work would free up some people to be trained and administer vaccinations.
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I agree, not saying it can't be done, just don't expect to be able to ramp it up to 24 hours using only the medical pesonell we have currently trained for it.
 
blueparrot said:
Maybe we will, but volunteers will need recruiting. My daughter saying staff at her hospital have been asked, to work days off, first to staff places outside her hospital were patients have been moved to to make room for covid cases, secondly to do vaccinations. Most have said no, they are too exhausted physically and emotionally and need their days off.
Volunteers may be found from other sources to do 24 hours but it's easier said than done.
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There are NHS staff like my sister who have worked from home since March. She is employed to teach sexual health in schools. There must be many more like her who could be redeployed.
 
Marvin said:
Vaccine evasion relates to the antibodies which the vaccine generate in everyone and the change in confirmation of a variant which can chnage significantly enough so that antibodies no longer are able to neutralise it (they basically bind to it And then change the confirmation of the complex so it can no longer function).
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So is it a case of being a race to get as many people vaccinated as possible which will ultimately reduce the chances of what you've just mentioned happening or is there a possibility this situation could happen even with a sizeable amount of people already vaccinated?
 
My youngest's school, due back tomorrow are not opening. Just had the message, apparently insufficient staff to open. No idea how long for.
 
squirtyflower said:
That’s not politics mate, that’s the woke elite taking over our public bodies to the detriment of the people they serve.
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That's a highly political statement using highly politicised terms about the supposed politics of the officials!
 
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