Coronavirus (2021) thread

[ctwrd]

I thought the same . Sure it was Lineker liking the video

Interesting that this is seen as wrong (I pass no opinion on it) yet when I highlighted the double standards of TV production I was told there was no issue.

I cited the example of Ant and Dec who despite being from two separate households of two or more have been allowed to form a permanent (not temporary despite some people’s protestations) “cohort”.

another example is gogglebox on channel 4. These people film two days a week and then go back to their working lives and mix with their own households.
Again, different households of two or more have been sat next to each other (no distancing) and they can’t say they have isolated for two weeks like some productions.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Supermarkets are a fucking nightmare lots with no masks so many just dawdling as if on a day trip.

Maybe the people who have no mask are exempt, if that's the case there should be a national exemption card to carry about.

It would be good if the supermarkets could allow only certain people within an age range at certain hours, eg vulnerable elderly people.

Have no idea how it could be implamated,, maybe it's a bad idea i don't know.

The problem is the supermarkets probably can't be arsed having the same argument 100 times a day with self-entitled pricks who can't be arsed wearing a mask and are prepared to stand up for their 'rights' at any opportunity.

 

[ctwrd]

Supermarkets are a fucking nightmare lots with no masks so many just dawdling as if on a day trip.

Maybe the people who have no mask are exempt, if that's the case there should be a national exemption card to carry about.

It would be good if the supermarkets could allow only certain people within an age range at certain hours, eg vulnerable elderly people.

Have no idea how it could be implamated,, maybe it's a bad idea i don't know.

I see plenty of people who look like that could have a qualifying exemption who are wearing masks. It tends to be those younger ones < 50 who play on their condition and don’t wear one.

I think the suggestion that if you qualify and don’t want to wear a mask you can be offered some assistance to get a slot to collect your shopping from the outdoor car park/delivery is a good one.

those that wear visors instead.
Waste of time. All their germs are still being spread just slightly downwards.

 

[unicorn]

If I drove I would do all my shopping at night. In the summer I often we t about 7pm it was quiet then but a gamble everything you needed was still there

Same here. Just popped to big Tesco north Sheffield. Only a dozen in at 9pm and plenty of choice so factories and farms and supply chains thankfully working well.

Everyone wearing a mask. In fact I'd say half of Sheffield wear masks outside. Was a completely different story down south when I was travelling round Essex in autumn.

 

[M18CTID]

What the flying fck has happened in Ireland???

Reading the thread, seems some of it is being put down to infected ex-pats flying in from the likes of London, etc, for Christmas and then going on the lash and mixing in multiple households. However, this may also have been a factor. Shows it’s not only the UK government that is making stupid decisions:

 

[Healdplace]

GREATER MANCHESTER SCOREBOARD

Cases 2233 - down from 2286. 31% of the NW total 7156. Up from 30%.

3 wks v 2 wks v last wk v TODAY:- 594 v 594 v 1193 v 2233 TODAY Rather worrying trajectory


MANCHESTER 445 cases - down from 556. Total 38, 932. Weekly 2542, Pop score up 80 to enter the 7000 club at 7042, Weekly Pop up 38 to 460. Up 267 in 13 days since Christmas.

WIGAN 295 cases - up from 225. Total 21, 230. Weekly 1667. Pop score up 90 to 6460. Weekly Pop up 35 to 508. First one back in the 500s for nearly 8 weeks. And a rise for Wigan of 321 in just 13 days!

BOLTON 243 cases - up from 156. Total 18, 501. Weekly 1134. Pop score up 84 to 6434. Weekly Pop up 49 to 394. Up 239 in 13 days.

STOCKPORT 215 cases - up from 210. Total 14, 205. Weekly 1310. Pop score up 73 to 4841. Weekly Pop up 22 to 446. Up 224 in 13 days.

TRAFFORD 211 cases - up from 158 - highest ever. Total 11, 890. Weekly 1149. Pop score up 88 to enter the 5000 club at 5009, Leaving Stockport alone in the 4000s - though for a few days only! Loses 15 more in the overall Pop race with Stockport and now 168 behind. And I predicted they would overtake Stockport at Christmas! Weekly Pop up 54 to 484. A rise of 258 in 13 days since Christmas.

SALFORD 188 cases - down big from 277. Total 16, 779. Weekly 1093. Pop score up 72 to 6482. Weekly Pop up 28 to 422. Up 209 in 13 days.

TAMESIDE 177 cases - up from 123. Total 12, 899. Weekly 837. Clinging on to top spot. Pop score up 78 to 5695. Weekly Pop up 40 to 369 A rise of 179 in 13 days since Christmas.

ROCHDALE 163 cases - down from 213. Total 15, 942. Weekly 933. Pop score up 73 to 7168. Weekly Pop up 41 to 420. Up 190 in 13 days.

BURY 150 cases - down from 183. Total 12, 777. Weekly 892. Pop score up 79 to 6690. Weekly Pop up 51 to 462. Up 219 in 13 days

OLDHAM 146 cases - down from 185. Total 17, 902. Weekly 901. Pop score up 61 to 7550. Lowest rise in GM today. Weekly Pop up 16 to 380. Up 190 in 13 days since Christmas.

 

[CTID Chris]

Its not.

the only greater measures they could do is to literally say that it is banned for businesses to operate. Ie. Not work from home unless absolutely necessary but if you can’t work from home you’re not allowed.

That’s the only way that you can see less “people traffic”.

the result would be thousands of businesses fold. The knock on effect would see far greater deaths long term so yes the lives of those many more are worth more collectively than the lesser number of additional people that could be save today.

there is a reason why lockdown isn’t extended in this way (it is accepted by the decision makers that this would swing the balance too far).

so perhaps you believe they who have made the decision disgusting not me

Just on this subject:

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-8866/

The measures the Government has taken to support businesses, workers and household incomes are likely to cost around £280 billion this year. The longer the crisis continues, the more the cost to government will rise.

21st December 2020

Based on the current amount of deaths (80k), that’s £3.5m per death. I haven’t got figures of hospitalisations to hand to see what that would look like. How much do NICE allow for treatments under normal circumstances? (I don’t know how it works.)

edit: read around the subject a little - QALYS and all that. None the wiser. Feel free to expand, or point to articles. Thanks.

I briefly saw these figures shared somewhere (possibly here, unsure), but thought it would be interesting to bring them up. I wouldn’t be able to analyse or come to any conclusions, and I don’t have interest in such things currently.

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

Where do you begin?

That entire dressing room plus anyone who has close contact with them such as family should be made to self isolate for 10 days. Absolute state. In fact all footballers should be made more aware of their actions. Why the fuck were we in one big huddle after smashing the rags. Arsenal players all piling on top of each other earlier. It’s a joke.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

If hospital patients outside of London were being sent home to die so that Londoners can be saved then he'd have a point.

I'm not sure that is the case, however.

Only "not sure"?!

 

[BlueAnorak]

Only 25% of cases according to that twitter thread

Thats enough to kick it on. It was only 25% in North Kent at the start of December. Then bang.
Oh and the only way they know is that one of the 3 test markers is negative for the new strain. If the new strain didn't have the test marker then they wouldn't have a scooby as they are barely doing any real genetic variant testing.

 

[B\connellblue]

Reading the thread, seems some of it is being put down to infected Pikies sailing in from Liverpool, etc, for Christmas and then going on the lash around Rathkeale.

 

[worsleyweb]

Fucking long day today. Feel like waiting for a bus and don’t know when it’s coming. Step mums best mate died of it last night. Her Life long friend of 60 years. Not seen my kids since the 28th either and my dad about twice in 7 months. Trying to keep spirits up but a tough one today!!

 

[117 M34]

Sorry if this is a stupid question.

If we did absolutely nothing to prevent or cure covid I.e. No restrictions and no vaccines what would it look like in the middle to long term? Obviously we would have a huge number of deaths in the short term but in say 3/5/10 years, would covid still be killing people or would the virus itself have died out by then?

 

[Rammy Blue]

Turn away people with no masks and who don’t sanitise their hands from supermarkets. No mask, no entry; won’t sanitise your hands at the door, see ya! If you can’t wear a mask for medical reasons you cannot go in and must only get your food delivered to home.

Turned away from the supermarket if you’re not on your own and the person with you isn’t a carer or a parent with their kid(s). Groups of teenagers should be told to fuck right off, as should couples who seem to think the supermarket is a nice place to go for a stroll together while it’s lockdown.

Fines should be handed out to parents of teenagers who are congregating outdoors or in supermarkets (teenagers in supermarkets seems to be a bit of a ‘thing’ now, hanging around the car park for hours or even going inside in groups).

Close non-essential shops. I mean, they’re supposed to be closed anyway but Costa and Starbucks seem to be given a special status of essential businesses during this lockdown, what the fuck’s that about? Queues out the door when I’ve walked past after work this week. How is coffee from massive chains essential when local small business coffee shops are closed?

No meeting anyone from another household for exercise outdoors. Even go as far as a period of 10-14 days where nobody is allowed to leave home to exercise. Too many people are coming into close contact with other people. Similar to isolating, it’ll help bring numbers down somewhat.

Parents who can’t be arsed with their kids at home while they’re working from home should be told to fuck off by schools when they’re trying to dump their kids on the school pretending they’re a key worker.

January Vocational exams should have been cancelled outright from Monday. I’ve had kids in exam rooms this week during a new faster spreading strain of a pandemic when we’re supposed to be in lockdown (although we have now given them an option not to attend if they can’t or don’t want).

Bosses should be letting employees work from home if they can, not making them come into work and see if they can get away with it.

Cancel all intercontinental sports. No internationals, no Champions League. People shouldn’t be crossing borders at the moment. And none of this fucking travelling to Dubai like our women’s team have.

Agree with all of that, as long as the Prem is allowed to continue to keep me sane!

 

[Rammy Blue]

Reading the thread, seems some of it is being put down to infected ex-pats flying in from the likes of London, etc, for Christmas and then going on the lash and mixing in multiple households. However, this may also have been a factor. Shows it’s not only the UK government that is making stupid decisions:

Really? Government in Ireland opened up the boozers? That might have something to do with the surge then!

 

[drthingy]

Sorry if this is a stupid question.

If we did absolutely nothing to prevent or cure covid I.e. No restrictions and no vaccines what would it look like in the middle to long term? Obviously we would have a huge number of deaths in the short term but in say 3/5/10 years, would covid still be killing people or would the virus itself have died out by then?

We just don’t know. High rate of deaths of course. It probably wouldn’t disappear we would be hoping it would mutate into a more infectious (therefore becomes the dominant strain) but less severe form and become more like seasonal flu. As many people would have been exposed to it previously some immunity would remain in the population so it wouldn’t be quite so rampant.

what I will say is we would find better ways of treating it. So much progress has been made in a short time already. Sometimes it takes a disaster for medicine to make a giant leap. MRNA vaccines could be one of them. We will get through this

 

[mr t]

A Derby County side decimated by COVID19 positive tests is knocked out of the FA Cup by a Chorley side who celebrate in a way which suggests they too will be decimated by COVID19 positive tests in the not too near future but hey ho the vaccine is on its way...........let’s hope I’m wrong.......

 

[BlueHammer85]

That entire dressing room plus anyone who has close contact with them such as family should be made to self isolate for 10 days. Absolute state. In fact all footballers should be made more aware of their actions. Why the fuck were we in one big huddle after smashing the rags. Arsenal players all piling on top of each other earlier. It’s a joke.

They are all tested before and after the game so it’s absolutely fine.

do you honestly think players should be kept 2 metres apart in a dressing room after all testing negative ?!

 

[Stoned Rose]

FWIW my view now is that everything has to be thrown at vaccinating at the maximum possible speed as nothing else is working. Test & Trace, mass testing as in Liverpool, lock downs are merely marginal mitigating steps that really only delay the outcome.

This is the case all round Europe. I have a work colleague in the Czech Republic who has always taken Covid very seriously even though he is in his mid 30s. They had a successful first wave with a brutal lockdown but currently if you compared daily cases like for like with the UK population then they have the equivalent of 130,000 new cases a day. He has not seen a single customer or travelled anywhere since March. There are protests daily as there is little support for businesses and many are destitute.

Testing is achieving very little so vaccinations have to be the absolute main priority.

Having worked in the Testing "industry" for a few months now I actually feel that testing makes things worse.

 

[Stoned Rose]

Hypothetical question time.

Say we had unlimited hospital capacity, do you think we’d still have restrictions in place to save lives or would they just let it run through?...

They’d have restrictions right?

right?...

The reality is the whole hullabaloo has been down purely to the NHS not having the capacity to deal with anything other than the shit it already deals with.

Covid has shown the mismanagement of the NHS up for what it is big time.