Political relations between UK-EU

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Vic said:
I see there's already an increase in the seasonal workers allowed - but not enough say our farmers and food producers. We can't increase domestic food production with no-one to pick it, and imports will be dearer. Good work,chaps.
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Not a problem, my fridge looks quite full. What are people worried about?
 
Vic said:
I see there's already an increase in the seasonal workers allowed - but not enough say our farmers and food producers. We can't increase domestic food production with no-one to pick it, and imports will be dearer. Good work,chaps.
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It always happens when you have Govt setting quotas and limits. A Govt that is hostile to immigration will always set a limit based on the number of people it would like to see in a country, then has to bow to reality, albeit slowly, and over time the whole system is a hot mess of contradictions and unfit for purpose.

Our immigration system is designed to keep people who don’t like immigration happy, not cater for reality, which is why it won’t work.
 
stonerblue said:
She/he wouldn't get a tier 1 visa now.

Do these 'more specific' roles include, porters, cleaners, auxiliary staff, drivers, trainees etc?

Having a spare 2 grand.
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They can do, if we get short of those types of people we can change the list of “job shortage in occupation” and lower the salary minimum.

That is the beauty of it, we can change it.
 
Ban-jani said:
Not for those outside the EU and they will have to speak English to get a place here anyway.
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That's a big whoosh there. That's the point. I'll be blunt, would you rather be treated by a Somalian nurse for whom English is a third language, or an EU nurse who's been speaking it since the age of 6.
 
More news on the banana front...good to see we are now helping out poorer countries (arf).

‘Ghanaian banana exporter says 3,000 jobs are at risk due to no agreement between the UK and Ghana yet to roll-over the existing EU-Ghana FTA. Because of this bananas face a £95/tonne MFN tariff on UK entry. Another shipment arriving today’ @BBC
 
Vic said:
That's a big whoosh there. That's the point. I'll be blunt, would you rather be treated by a Somalian nurse for whom English is a third language, or an EU nurse who's been speaking it since the age of 6.
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I’m not a racist **** Vic so I wouldn’t mind.

They have to pass the English test so they’ll be able to speak it to the required level.

Would being treated by a Somalian nurse make you uncomfortable?
 
Ban-jani said:
Quite a lot has to change to get to that point and the troubles it would cause isn’t an excuse, the country is very much split on the issue as it stands, with remaining in the UK, still the preference.

I think people are presuming the customs checks are going to make a huge difference, I don’t think they will once the media have stopped talking about Brexit.
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We wouldn't be discussing this but for Brexit.
 
Ban-jani said:
Quite a lot has to change to get to that point and the troubles it would cause isn’t an excuse, the country is very much split on the issue as it stands, with remaining in the UK, still the preference.
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Not sure you can say that with any degree of certainty. The one protestant from East Belfast that posts on here has said that he would vote for Irish unification if the vote happened, albeit he thinks it wouldn't be a good idea to have the vote. If that's the case, there's a fair chance he's not the only one in that situation who would vote that way.
 
west didsblue said:
Not sure you can say that with any degree of certainty. The one protestant from East Belfast that posts on here has said that he would vote for Irish unification if the vote happened, albeit he thinks it wouldn't be a good idea to have the vote. If that's the case, there's a fair chance he's not the only one in that situation who would vote that way.
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That’s correct but the study in which I posted from suggested around 20% of the 45% Catholics in Northern Ireland wouldn’t vote for unification.

40 years ago you could accurately split unification or not by that characteristic of Prod vs Cath... now the lines are significantly blurred.

This probably does help the nationalist agenda but the numbers aren’t there yet and likely won’t be until the next generation at least.
 
Ban-jani said:
They can do, if we get short of those types of people we can change the list of “job shortage in occupation” and lower the salary minimum.

That is the beauty of it, we can change it.
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Which brings us neatly back to where we started. The immigration bill is shite and gets changed whenever they realise how shit it is.
 
bluethrunthru said:
something else for the wilfully myopic to ignore and dismiss - meantime the fishing industry they held as totemic sinks

www.pressandjournal.co.uk

'It’s like a motorway crash': Urgent meeting sought to resolve Brexit mess which has left fishing industry suffering huge losses

North-east fishing leaders are demanding urgent talks with the UK Government after likening the shambles created by Brexit to a "motorway crash". Michael
www.pressandjournal.co.uk www.pressandjournal.co.uk
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bluethrunthru said:
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Just a change management issue. Should have sorted by the fish and fruit work stream.
 
Talking of immigration, a look at the new rules on refugees. In summary it’s all about the presentation and nothing in the substance.

‘New UK approach to refugees and safe third countries’

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Briefing: new UK approach to refugees and safe third countries - Free Movement

The government has introduced important new rules on the handling of claims for asylum with effect from 1 January 2021. Guidance for Home Office asylum
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‘The headline is that any person who travelled to the UK through a safe country will have their asylum case declared inadmissible and in theory face removal to any other safe country around the world willing to accept them. The likely reality of what happens in practice is very different: more delays in the asylum process and very few if any third country removals.

My overall impression is that the rules are completely unworkable as they stand, even if there were removal agreements with other countries. Which there are not...’
 
stonerblue said:
Which brings us neatly back to where we started. The immigration bill is shite and gets changed whenever they realise how shit it is.
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Or the way to look at it is flexible and adaptable to our needs?

The reason there is an ambiguous jobs shortage option is precisely because it can be changed.
 
meltonblue said:
I meant I’m not your target audience as I do have more than a little knowledge of it. The mandates for the future relationship were only published by both sides in Feb 2020. You’re clearly very knowledgeable on brexit so you’ll know that for visas, the target in the political declaration was to aim for visa free travel if possible. That was always going to have to be part of the future agreement negotiations though as it’s clearly dependent on other things too, like agreements on services.

Arguing that solutioning comes before mandate and also saying you know a lot about programme management seems a pretty incompatible position to me though.
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Oh dear......

I will leave you to take comfort in your "...more than a little knowledge" - although I doubt it is in change management

But - please excuse me at having a good chuckle - but to be fair - you just have just not understood the order properly
 
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