#9 | Gabriel Jesus - 2020/21 Performances

[Barcon]

He doesnt score in the PL every other game does he? His goals per minute is poor for a team that creates as many chances as we do.

I notice that you seem to think PL games are the only ones that are important (See the foden thread as well) and I'm starting to think that you are Jurgen Klopp.

 

[NQCitizen]

He doesnt score in the PL every other game does he? His goals per minute is poor for a team that creates as many chances as we do.

Not sure of the stats as of this minute but as of July 2020 -

Gabriel Jesus - 7th all time goals per minute in the Premier league

Players ahead of him aguero, kane, Henry, salah, RVN, aubameyang.

 

[r.soleofsalford]

He doesnt score in the PL every other game does he? His goals per minute is poor for a team that creates as many chances as we do.

Best minutes per goal record in Premier League history:
1. Sergio Aguero
Total goals: 180
Total minutes: 19,177
Minutes per goal: 106.5

2. Harry Kane
Total goals: 143
Total minutes: 17,175
Minutes per goal: 120.1

3. Thierry Henry
Total goals: 175
Total minutes: 21, 280
Minutes per goal: 121.6

4. Mohamed Salah
Total goals: 75
Total minutes: 9,554
Minutes per goal: 127.3

5. Ruud van Nistelrooy
Total goals: 95
Total minutes: 12,135
Minutes per goal: 127.3

6. Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang
Total goals: 54
Total minutes: 6,913
Minutes per goal: 128

7. Gabriel Jesus
Total goals: 41
Total minutes: 5,338
Minutes per goal: 130.1

8. Luis Suarez
Total goals: 69
Total minutes: 9,556
Minutes per goal: 138.4

9. Robin van Persie
Total goals: 144
Total minutes: 20,047
Minutes per goal: 139.2

10. Hernan Crespo
Total goals: 20
Total minutes: 2,796
Minutes per goal: 139.8

Correct as of 27 July 2020.

 

[NQCitizen]

That is over four years or there abouts and doesnt show the picture of him starting well, tailing off, the odd good game then poor again , he just hasnt worked out long term , for me

Sergio has been out how long ? He should have staked his claim, injuries permitting

Play him left wing , he is rarely in the box and when sergio leaves replace him as near as we can to him

So a striker who raised him games in our biggest fixtures against Real Madrid and Liverpool is happy to play left wing when asked to, and that's bad?

This team doesn't play a traditional center forward. Arguably the current pattern of play suits Jesus over even Aguero.

His job is to press, overload defenders and vacate the space for Foden, Sterling, Kevin, Mahrez to run into. He's probably the best forward in the entire league for that role.

Id take Haaland don't get me wrong, I think he's phenomenal. But its not like he'd be asked to do the same role anyway.

 

[kaz7]

So a striker who raised him games in our biggest fixtures against Real Madrid and Liverpool is happy to play left wing when asked to, and that's bad?

This team doesn't play a traditional center forward. Arguably the current pattern of play suits Jesus over even Aguero.

His job is to press, overload defenders and vacate the space for Foden, Sterling, Kevin, Mahrez to run into. He's probably the best forward in the entire league for that role.

Id take Haaland don't get me wrong, I think he's phenomenal. But its not like he'd be asked to do the same role anyway.

He cant dine out on two games

I might be wrong here but did we buy brazils number nine to make space for midfielders to score ? I just cant understand that , he should be demanding they make space for him, number one strikers do that , they are more selfish

 

[r.soleofsalford]

He cant dine out on two games

I might be wrong here but did we buy brazils number nine to make space for midfielders to score ? I just cant understand that , he should be demanding they make space for him, number one strikers do that , they are more selfish

Best minutes per goal record in Premier League history:

1. Sergio Aguero
Total goals: 180
Total minutes: 19,177
Minutes per goal: 106.5

2. Harry Kane
Total goals: 143
Total minutes: 17,175
Minutes per goal: 120.1

3. Thierry Henry
Total goals: 175
Total minutes: 21, 280
Minutes per goal: 121.6

4. Mohamed Salah
Total goals: 75
Total minutes: 9,554
Minutes per goal: 127.3

5. Ruud van Nistelrooy
Total goals: 95
Total minutes: 12,135
Minutes per goal: 127.3

6. Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang
Total goals: 54
Total minutes: 6,913
Minutes per goal: 128

7. Gabriel Jesus
Total goals: 41
Total minutes: 5,338
Minutes per goal: 130.1

8. Luis Suarez
Total goals: 69
Total minutes: 9,556
Minutes per goal: 138.4

9. Robin van Persie
Total goals: 144
Total minutes: 20,047
Minutes per goal: 139.2

10. Hernan Crespo
Total goals: 20
Total minutes: 2,796
Minutes per goal: 139.8

Correct as of 27 July 2020.

This is from MCFCUK.

Press on it have a look for yourself.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

I notice that you seem to think PL games are the only ones that are important (See the foden thread as well) and I'm starting to think that you are Jurgen Klopp.

No but its clearly a benchmark that any decent striker shouldn't have any problem with being measured against. If you are one of the top strikers in the world, 18 to 20 goals a season in the league is a good return. Not 9 or 10. I would argue its more important than the league cup and knocking rubbish teams out of the group stages of the CL. Or do you think otherwise?

 

[kaz7]

Best minutes per goal record in Premier League history:

1. Sergio Aguero
Total goals: 180
Total minutes: 19,177
Minutes per goal: 106.5

2. Harry Kane
Total goals: 143
Total minutes: 17,175
Minutes per goal: 120.1

3. Thierry Henry
Total goals: 175
Total minutes: 21, 280
Minutes per goal: 121.6

4. Mohamed Salah
Total goals: 75
Total minutes: 9,554
Minutes per goal: 127.3

5. Ruud van Nistelrooy
Total goals: 95
Total minutes: 12,135
Minutes per goal: 127.3

6. Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang
Total goals: 54
Total minutes: 6,913
Minutes per goal: 128

7. Gabriel Jesus
Total goals: 41
Total minutes: 5,338
Minutes per goal: 130.1

8. Luis Suarez
Total goals: 69
Total minutes: 9,556
Minutes per goal: 138.4

9. Robin van Persie
Total goals: 144
Total minutes: 20,047
Minutes per goal: 139.2

10. Hernan Crespo
Total goals: 20
Total minutes: 2,796
Minutes per goal: 139.8

Correct as of 27 July 2020.

This is from MCFCUK.

Press on it have a look for yourself.

As i said this doesnt show that he has not progressed from a great start , it doesnt show progress stalled , what are his numbers for the last year say ?

 

[domalino]

He doesnt score in the PL every other game does he? His goals per minute is poor for a team that creates as many chances as we do.

He's got the 6th best goals per minute in the 28 year old history of the Premier league. If that's poor, what's good?

https://www.sportbible.com/football...t-striker-for-minutes-per-goal-ratio-20190914

Every other game , lol

He's scored 72 in 167 which is 0.44 - every other game.

That's inlcuding all games. If you include games where he played more than 15 minutes (ie strip away all the stupid 5-10 minute sub appearances that a back up striker racks up), it's 69 in 134.



As a starter in the league he's got 47 goals and 15 assists in 67 games. Do you people not realise how fucking incredible that record is? That is Kane/Aguero/Henry levels of production. 0.7 goals per game.

And I'll reiterate this, he's 23.

But he only gets to do that when he starts. This is exactly like Dzeko, who was struggling when he had to play second fiddle to Aguero and then we sell him for £9m and people are surprised when he scores 39 goals in 50 games for Roma. Oh who could have predicted a great striker starts banging in goals when he gets a run of games to find form, at least we've got Bony!

Jesus is one of the very best young strikers in the world, and on top of the goals he scores, he works harder than any striker in world football, he creates goals for others and he's humble enough to play LW, RW or sit on the bench when the manager wants him to. He's not going anywhere.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Best minutes per goal record in Premier League history:
1. Sergio Aguero
Total goals: 180
Total minutes: 19,177
Minutes per goal: 106.5

2. Harry Kane
Total goals: 143
Total minutes: 17,175
Minutes per goal: 120.1

3. Thierry Henry
Total goals: 175
Total minutes: 21, 280
Minutes per goal: 121.6

4. Mohamed Salah
Total goals: 75
Total minutes: 9,554
Minutes per goal: 127.3

5. Ruud van Nistelrooy
Total goals: 95
Total minutes: 12,135
Minutes per goal: 127.3

6. Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang
Total goals: 54
Total minutes: 6,913
Minutes per goal: 128

7. Gabriel Jesus
Total goals: 41
Total minutes: 5,338
Minutes per goal: 130.1

8. Luis Suarez
Total goals: 69
Total minutes: 9,556
Minutes per goal: 138.4

9. Robin van Persie
Total goals: 144
Total minutes: 20,047
Minutes per goal: 139.2

10. Hernan Crespo
Total goals: 20
Total minutes: 2,796
Minutes per goal: 139.8

Correct as of 27 July 2020.

Thats better than i thought tbh but perhaps we should add in this season and see where he sits?

 

[Barcon]

No but its clearly a benchmark that any decent striker shouldn't have any problem with being measured against. If you are one of the top strikers in the world, 18 to 20 goals a season in the league is a good return. Not 9 or 10. I would argue its more important than the league cup and knocking rubbish teams out of the group stages of the CL. Or do you think otherwise?

Obviously.

P.S, lighten up Jurgen, it was a joke.

 

[Sir peace frog]

He's got the 6th best goals per minute in the 28 year old history of the Premier league. If that's poor, what's good?

https://www.sportbible.com/football...t-striker-for-minutes-per-goal-ratio-20190914




He's scored 72 in 167 which is 0.44 - every other game.

That's inlcuding all games. If you include games where he played more than 15 minutes (ie strip away all the stupid 5-10 minute sub appearances that a back up striker racks up), it's 69 in 134.



As a starter in the league he's got 47 goals and 15 assists in 67 games. Do you people not realise how fucking incredible that record is? That is Kane/Aguero/Henry levels of production. 0.7 goals per game.

But he only gets to do that when he starts. This is exactly like Dzeko, who was struggling when he had to play second fiddle to Aguero and then we sell him for £9m and people are surprised when he scores 39 goals in 50 games for Roma.

You are quality, an argumentative bugger , but you know your onions:)

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Obviously.

P.S, lighten up Jurgen, it was a joke.

I am lightened up. Lol. all is well. I do think Kaz is right tho his form is very up and down.

 

[NQCitizen]

He cant dine out on two games

I might be wrong here but did we buy brazils number nine to make space for midfielders to score ? I just cant understand that , he should be demanding they make space for him, number one strikers do that , they are more selfish

He was often playing left wing for Palmeiras when we bought him tbf.

I think its a bit unfair to Gabby to be fair - you can't judge him against what you want him to be doing, judge him against what he's clearly instructed to do.

 

[r.soleofsalford]

As i said this doesnt show that he has not progressed from a great start , it doesnt show progress stalled , what are his numbers for the last year say ?

Look yourself Kaz if you feel the need to call out our 23 year forward.


It doesnt show a lot of things Kaz. It doesn`t show how slow our team were getting the ball to our attack while playing with a double pivot. It doesn`t show how the oppositions defense has had time to get back in their own box in numbers.

At 23 years old he isn`t the greatest goal scorer we`ve ever had. but he`s one of the workers in our team who has the guts to get stuck in, help defend and make movements that give space for others on our team to score.

Who would you change him for. He cost us £27,000,000 who would we get who better.

 

[r.soleofsalford]

Thats better than i thought tbh but perhaps we should add in this season and see where he sits?

Isn`t that up to you to prove the point your trying to make 8-)

 

[r.soleofsalford]

No but its clearly a benchmark that any decent striker shouldn't have any problem with being measured against. If you are one of the top strikers in the world, 18 to 20 goals a season in the league is a good return. Not 9 or 10. I would argue its more important than the league cup and knocking rubbish teams out of the group stages of the CL. Or do you think otherwise?

You do realise where I showed you the top ten goals per minute scorers were only premier league scorers

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Isn`t that up to you to prove the point your trying to make 8-)

i will have a look at it and come back to you cheers.

 

[mosssideblue]

He was often playing left wing for Palmeiras when we bought him tbf.

I think its a bit unfair to Gabby to be fair - you can't judge him against what you want him to be doing, judge him against what he's clearly instructed to do.

Nail on head, top post

 

[Tevez City]

He was often playing left wing for Palmeiras when we bought him tbf.

I think its a bit unfair to Gabby to be fair - you can't judge him against what you want him to be doing, judge him against what he's clearly instructed to do.

On the left he had Sterling, Torres & Foden ahead of him in the pecking order.

As far as I remember, he didn't play once as LW for Brazil.

From what I saw so far, he didn't have the quality to be a left winger for any of the top 6 clubs.

The only position where I see him succeeding is CF.