Saddleworth2
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Hence my posting it.
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mancity2012_eamo
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I really don’t know the answer to that as I am unfamiliar with the British newspaper media. I don’t read any of them.Back to my question though. Why? For what reason? What is the agenda? As I said its hardly going to convince anyone in Scotland - not even those that are fervently for the Union. So who is it aimed at and what is the underlying purpose?
If that article is typical of what the Mail produces then it is questionable what their end game is. Who are they appealing to and to what end.
I think this Scottish thread will become one of the more interesting political threads in the years to come.
I don't know. The three questions I have are:
Who do you think the target audience is?
What reaction are they trying to excite in that target audience?
Why are they doing that?
Its one of an increasing number of these type of articles in the right wing press that are attacking Sturgeon, the SNP and ultimately the wider Scottish populace. There has to be a purpose to it even if that is simply to promote division and dislike. Im just interested in what other folk think.
Who do you think the target audience is? Their readership, the middle class and the new working class conservative voters, UKIPers, most Brexit voters etc.
What reaction are they trying to excite in that target audience? Anger....After immigrants/refugees, the EU, those on benefits, the BBC now it's time to get angry with the Scottish.
Why are they doing that? Divide and conquer...get them angry, keep them angry and sell their anger to them (he dropped in BLM to keep those anger levels bubbling away) divert their attention from where it should be.
The real question is what is the end game?
Saddleworth2
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Good post mate.Who do you think the target audience is? Their readership, the middle class and the new working class conservative voters, UKIPers, most Brexit voters etc.
What reaction are they trying to excite in that target audience? Anger....After immigrants/refugees, the EU, those on benefits, the BBC now it's time to get angry with the Scottish.
Why are they doing that? Divide and conquer...get them angry, keep them angry and sell their anger to them (he dropped in BLM to keep those anger levels bubbling away) divert their attention from where it should be.
The real question is what is the end game?
what do you think it is?
Good post mate.
what do you think it is?
Probably just profits and influence over the UK Government.
It could be more sinister with wanting England as a stand alone nation, scrapping workers rights and back to some kind of Georgian era social dived with the working class working 7 days a week, with only half a day leave each month whilst not being allowed to vote or be able to afford to buy property...and Britian's enlightenment started in Scotland so cut the head off that beast before it rises again...but that's just a far fetched conspiracy theory I've just made up :-)
Saddleworth2
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I think it’s the beginning of a campaign to position the Scots and the SNP in particular as the enemy. There will be a comprehensive media campaign aimed at doing that over the next few years. I think there is an assessment that the Union could break within the next 5 years and the Tory party will position that solely at the feet of the unreasonable Scots. If independence fails it will be lauded as a great victory delivered by Tory statesmanship, if Independence is achieved it will not be the fault of the Tory government who did their damndest. The media campaign will be aimed at keeping English voters on side whichever way it goes.Probably just profits and influence over the UK Government.
It could be more sinister with wanting England as a stand alone nation, scrapping workers rights and back to some kind of Georgian era social dived with the working class working 7 days a week, with only half a day leave each month whilst not being allowed to vote or be able to afford to buy property...and Britian's enlightenment started in Scotland so cut the head off that beast before it rises again...but that's just a far fetched conspiracy theory I've just made up :-)
Some of the stuff there he’s absolutely correct on but the general tone and some stuff is terrible.So Richard Littlejohn in the fail this morning. Much like 'City Bingo' we now have 'Scottish Bingo' and this arsehole just won a cuddly toy. It looks like its written for an English rather than a Scottish readership (its hardly going to do anything for the Scots other than harden views.) and why would that be?
Why would a national newspaper deliberately set out to inflame dislike between English and Scots?
No bloody wonder we get folks on here posting this stuff. Can anyone blame them?
What worked for Brexit will work for Scottish Independence. I actually am beginning to think the Tories want it to happen.
These are exerts to give you the tone.
"What we want is another independence referendum, said absolutely nobody outside the ranks of swivel-eyed SNP supporters.
If in doubt, blame the English.
Failing schools: blame the English. Corona: blame the English. Celtic falling 23 points behind Rangers: blame that cheating Scouse Git Stevie Gerrard. Send him hame to think again!
Sturgeon never takes responsibility for her own failures. Far easier to point the finger at the wicked Westminster bogeyman.
But Sturgeon has been allowed to pretend that she is handling the pandemic with far more assurance than Boris.
Part of this is down to the cult of personality which has been constructed around the First Minister, by a largely slavish domestic media and the support of a political class who owe their lucrative fealty to the myth of SNP competence and invincibility.
Every lunchtime at midday — until I switched off in disgust — the BBC and the increasingly Left-wing Sky News Black Lives Matter Channel (under its new American management) beamed Wee Burney and Her Amazing Dancing Bear across the kingdom. TV producers are happy to roll out the red carpet for Sturgeon because she reinforces their own anti-Boris, anti-Brexit fanaticism.
Boris should be reminding the Scots that it’s England’s money footing the bill for the largesse they enjoy and for which the SNP takes credit.
He must turn the spotlight on Sturgeon and her husband, who run Scotland as their personal fiefdom.
She’ll probably dodge the bullet. Demagogues generally do in one-party states. But there’s also simmering resentment between the Holyrood crowd and the SNP’s Westminster contingent, led by porky pub bore Ian Blackford, suspected of living high on the hog in London at taxpayers’ expense.
Even though I fear that if you extended the vote on Scottish independence across the whole UK, the English would in a heartbeat wish the North British a fond farewell — glad to be well shot of whining Wee Burney and her gang of ingrates."
I am pissed off with the SNP and the push to split my country up, yes Scotland is apart of the nation I live in to me, but the way forward isn’t to insult those on our side now in Scotland, it’s to convince more to vote no, when it eventually comes.
The last part isn’t going to win any friends and is likely to convince some of that half the country who could vote no, to vote yes.
Unionism is taking a shot because rather than supporting it and talking up its benefits, people are too busy slamming the opposition.
England and Scotland is a powerhouse together and it’s within everyone’s benefit to continue that.
Sturgeon going ahead with a referendum when it’s not been signed off by parliament is a disgrace though and I hope the courts shaft her.
To be fair this is exactly the same tactic used by the SNP.Why are they doing that? Divide and conquer...get them angry, keep them angry and sell their anger to them
I think this Scottish thread will become one of the more interesting political threads in the years to come.
I would doubt that.
If you've read the first couple of pages, you've read them all.
Some of the stuff there he’s absolutely correct on but the general tone and some stuff is terrible.
I am pissed off with the SNP and the push to split my country up, yes Scotland is apart of the nation I live in to me, but the way forward isn’t to insult those on our side now in Scotland, it’s to convince more to vote no, when it eventually comes.
The last part isn’t going to win any friends and is likely to convince some of that half the country who could vote no, to vote yes.
Unionism is taking a shot because rather than supporting it and talking up its benefits, people are too busy slamming the opposition.
England and Scotland is a powerhouse together and it’s within everyone’s benefit to continue that.
Sturgeon going ahead with a referendum when it’s not been signed off by parliament is a disgrace though and I hope the courts shaft her.
If there is anything at all in there you agree with, you do have a problem, and you have bought into the rhetoric. Or are a part of it.
Otherwise, i agree with everything you say.
Good post mate.
what do you think it is?
A number of different layers of society.
First and foremost, it is their own bile rant they want to enjoy getting out there.
Then it is for anyone of any persuasion who will click on it.
Then it is for the angry bitters who Want to agree with it, predominantly in England but there will be a fair few in Scotland. No real goal there other than sustaining the anger, and as such their presence as the go to voice of it.
Then the less bitter but still with opinions on the matter, that don't like gge tone but are willing to look past it because it strikes a chord.
Then finally, the moderates, who would happily stay somewhere in the middle. They need pushed, further out either way to pick sides to entrench positioms.
Don't forget there are elections coming up in a few months. Laying the groundwork, both for the background campaign through bullshit, and for maintaining a a paying audience through the coverage process.
Imho
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Dangerous game to play. I wonder what percentage of the pro independence feeling in Scotland is a protest at being told they can't have a referendum, or independence won't work? My guess is thatsort of resentment may be enough to turn a narrow no vote into a narrow yes for independence.I think it’s the beginning of a campaign to position the Scots and the SNP in particular as the enemy. There will be a comprehensive media campaign aimed at doing that over the next few years. I think there is an assessment that the Union could break within the next 5 years and the Tory party will position that solely at the feet of the unreasonable Scots. If independence fails it will be lauded as a great victory delivered by Tory statesmanship, if Independence is achieved it will not be the fault of the Tory government who did their damndest. The media campaign will be aimed at keeping English voters on side whichever way it goes.
To be fair this is exactly the same tactic used by the SNP.
To an extent, absolutely. But largely, not at all.
You either honestly do not know enough, or only want to know what you think you need to know, or choose to believe what you want to.
I say that in the most open and genuine best will, because i know how much you care, and am trying to give you that but if balance, which in no way needs to in any manner dilute your stance btw.
Probably just profits and influence over the UK Government.
It could be more sinister with wanting England as a stand alone nation, scrapping workers rights and back to some kind of Georgian era social dived with the working class working 7 days a week, with only half a day leave each month whilst not being allowed to vote or be able to afford to buy property...and Britian's enlightenment started in Scotland so cut the head off that beast before it rises again...but that's just a far fetched conspiracy theory I've just made up :-)
Control over the UK gov is the big one there, for me.
The media have clicked, a long time ago. They hace occupied the irreplacable spot of then middle man and translator.
People used to vote for politicians and their promises, and sometimes their personality.
Now, huge chunks of society vote for what the media tell them those promises mean, will do for them and what that personality is.
They are just pre-scripting the narrative.
Dangerous game to play. I wonder what percentage of the pro independence feeling in Scotland is a protest at being told they can't have a referendum, or independence won't work? My guess is thatsort of resentment may be enough to turn a narrow no vote into a narrow yes for independence.
My gut is, less than you think.
But, absolutely valid, and you could well be right, it, however small, could make the difference in the end, and sturgeon has played (or let it play) that one.
There’s several things in that which are true. Are you going to try and tell me the SNP don’t just automatically blame the Tories for every mistake?If there is anything at all in there you agree with, you do have a problem, and you have bought into the rhetoric. Or are a part of it.
Otherwise, i agree with everything you say.
If you disagree with all of it you have a problem.
With all due respect this post is a load of shite, if you think I am wrong, tell me why, rather than this approach.To an extent, absolutely. But largely, not at all.
You either honestly do not know enough, or only want to know what you think you need to know, or choose to believe what you want to.
I say that in the most open and genuine best will, because i know how much you care, and am trying to give you that but if balance, which in no way needs to in any manner dilute your stance btw.
Saddleworth2
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Even if that were true. I was posting about the national media, not how any political party acts. Do you think any national newspaper would right such an article about the Union?To be fair this is exactly the same tactic used by the SNP.
I’ve said the article is ridiculous.Even if that were true. I was posting about the national media, not how any political party acts. Do you think any national newspaper would right such an article about the Union?
The whole tone of it is wrong.
Saddleworth2
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I think every voter that voted No last time and now favours Yes will harbour doubts and are capable of being persuaded back to support the Union. The way to do that though is to show that their concerns with the Union are being listened to. Articles like the one that appeared in the Fail will have one outcome in Scotland, they will push more and more middle ground Scots to support independence. Boris and a right wing media campaign will be the SNP's most effective recruitment tool if they continue like this.Dangerous game to play. I wonder what percentage of the pro independence feeling in Scotland is a protest at being told they can't have a referendum, or independence won't work? My guess is thatsort of resentment may be enough to turn a narrow no vote into a narrow yes for independence.