Political relations between UK-EU

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BobKowalski said:
I agree there was no intent to deceive, but contracts were signed, 300m shots were promised by end of Jan, and here we are at the end of Jan with vaccine authorisation granted, and no shots to hand over.

Leaving the contract issue aside, the problem for AZ is they are a heavily regulated company operating in a heavily regulated sector and they are pissing off the people doing the regulating.

I also don’t think AZ signing a contract stipulating other contracts won’t impact their obligations is a wise move if their defence is the regulators should have known about the UK contract stipulations because it was mentioned in the press, therefore it’s the regulators fault for not doing a Google search.
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IF the EU had decided not to approve the vaccine (surely a possibility as it took them until a couple of hours ago To decide to do so) would everyone currently defending their attempt to cost British lives due to their own ineptitude, insist that they went ahead and purchased them anyway?

Or would they have been happy to see AZ take the hit.

The EU did not preplan, did not show faith, did not appear to have a contingency, and instead appears to wish to rely on the age old adage of “He who stomps his feet the loudest”.

I don’t think they have factored in to their calculations that they are not dealing with a supplicant Britain anymore.

Inept. incompetent. Immoral.

We are out of it now, thanks to me and millions like me.

You’re welcome.
 
Del_Bosque said:
The EU didn’t pay for any increase in capacity at UK sites did they?

The deal with the UK was signed long before and at the time of signing with UK they were planning on having 30 million doses stockpiled for the UK by Sept.

The EU sites were where the money was used from the advanced purchase agreement
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To all intensive purposes, yes they did.
 
blueish swede said:
We don't know that, do we? The EU gave 130M (I think) to AZ to improve and increase their production. If some of that money went to the UK then the EU can expect to see the benefit.
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And they will, once the contract we signed 3 months earlier is fulfilled. Why the hell should we suffer because they have tied themselves up in so much red tape whilst we just got on and got something done quickly for once?
 
meltonblue said:
Their argument will be it’s not their cock up though, it’s AZ’s. It’ll also be pressure due to their vaccine rollout being so shit and potentially being pissed off with us depending on what clauses we put in our contract given what the AZ CEO said. AZ really should have just explicitly said they’re still fulfilling the initial order for the U.K, wouldn’t have helped them with the EU but might not have created some of the shitstorm it has.
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I agree, but AZ aren’t an elected representative body in charge of governing large swathes of Europe, they’re a private company that we can choose to use their services or not, so my anger isn’t directed at them, whereas the EU threatening my state out of, what seems to be emotion (I didn’t agree with the AZ CEO saying this but there is some truth), makes me annoyed and it’s seemingly pissing off those on the island of Ireland too.
 
Ban-jani said:
What’s funny is the lack of objectivity from some that never expected the EU to behave in this manner.

I was one of them, the EU is the best major power on the planet, when you compare them to the US, China, Russia etc. they stand alone in terms of ethics and fairness.

It’s why I wanted to remain and be apart of that.

This however, is them at their very worst and I can only put it down to the current leadership.

It’s not like them at all, it really isn’t.

This isn’t a storm in a teacup, as much as we all want it to be, they’re now moving to stop exports on the island of Ireland, it’s an act of aggression and isn’t in spirit of the GFA.

I genuinely thought it would be our government to pull something like this.
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I agree, at least it was when it had the right intentions. I clearly believe we were very influential in steering that influence for a time, but they stopped listening to us. It was their Europe, not our Europe.

Now we're seeing an example of them without our influence to guide them. It's not pretty.
 
Vic said:
So did the EU...
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At the outset the UK invested in vaccine creation. The EU invested the majority of its money into COVID treatment rather than prevention where it invested significantly less - not criticising that decision but worth noting.

They have since vaccines appeared to offer good protection absolutely invested money in production to their credit
 
The EU has activated Article 16 of the withdrawal treaty to prevent vaccines entering Northern Ireland, in effect imposing a hard border. It will be interesting to see where this ends as it is an extremely hostile act in a very sensitive region. THE DUP are up in arms and the UK government is considering its response.
 
Invisible Man's Bandage said:
The EU has activated Article 16 of the withdrawal treaty to prevent vaccines entering Northern Ireland, in effect imposing a hard border. It will be interesting to see where this ends as it is an extremely hostile act in a very sensitive region. THE DUP are up in arms and the UK government is considering its response.
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this act contradicts pretty much everything they’ve said about Ireland. Ie we don’t want a hard border/ we need to keep the piece. It could actual result in violence.
So much for caring about the Republic of Ireland.

also restricting access to vaccines could mean lots of people die. What are the eu playing at. Hopefully remainers and leavers are United against this behaviour
 
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Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
this act contradicts pretty much everything they’ve said about Ireland. Ie we don’t want a hard border/ we need to keep the piece. It could actual result in violence.
So much for caring about the Republic of Ireland.
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Exactly. Not bad going less than a calendar month after the end of the transition period. All the wailing about the government legislation to render it meaningless shows how full of shit the EU really is.
 
Ban-jani said:
I agree, but AZ aren’t an elected representative body in charge of governing large swathes of Europe, they’re a private company that we can choose to use their services or not, so my anger isn’t directed at them, whereas the EU threatening my state out of, what seems to be emotion (I didn’t agree with the AZ CEO saying this but there is some truth), makes me annoyed and it’s seemingly pissing off those on the island of Ireland too.
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And I get that. They’re a big trading bloc, they throw their weight like any other big trading bloc and can be cunts with it.

They won’t block exports even with this move though. Pfizer are delivering to all equally (or short falling all equally) and the AZ vaccine is being made here for our consumption anyway (as per the last 50 pages!).
 
Invisible Man's Bandage said:
The EU has activated Article 16 of the withdrawal treaty to prevent vaccines entering Northern Ireland, in effect imposing a hard border. It will be interesting to see where this ends as it is an extremely hostile act in a very sensitive region. THE DUP are up in arms and the UK government is considering its response.
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Over to you president biden ...
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
also restricting access to vaccines that could mean lots of people die. What are the eu playing at. Hopefully remainers and leavers are United against this behaviour
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It doesn't stop the UK sending vaccine supplies to NI but what it does do is impose an effective hard border and it immediately infuriates half of the population there. It doesn't take much to trigger off violence there as die hards on both sides are itching to get it going again.

This is going to get VERY ugly.
 
metalblue said:
Are you suggesting the EU is spiteful and unprofessional and would enact revenge on AZ under the pretence of regulation? Glad we’re not part of that sort of club anymore!!

I don’t think it was 300m by end of Jan mate but I know the point you’re making. I’m sure AZ would love nothing more than delivering the doses to schedule to all their customers.
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Well, yes. AZ will pay for this in some way shape or form, unless they can come up with the vaccines sharpish.

The EU just invoked Article 16 of the NI protocols on us without bothering with the niceties of a formal letter to the JC Committee or the one months notice they are obliged to give. Gove is apparently writing a letter of concern. You reckon they will be any nicer to AZ if this isn’t resolved quickly?
 
Invisible Man's Bandage said:
It doesn't stop the UK sending vaccine supplies to NI but what it does do is impose an effective hard border and it immediately infuriates half of the population there. It doesn't take much to trigger off violence there as die hards on both sides are itching to get it going again.

This is going to get VERY ugly.
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In the UK
 
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