Political relations between UK-EU

[Vic]

According to Katya Adler the EU hasn't paid up."In reality, Brussels has yet to hand over a substantial lump of the promised amount"

How much is a substantial lump? How does she know?

 

[Ban-jani]

Enacting the protocol? What exact purpose is that going to serve?

Piss off every person on the island of Ireland and reaffirm the loyalist movement in NI probably.

My mate is Republican Catholic from Belfast and he’s livid they’re being used in this manner.

 

[Vic]

The UK government invested public money into the Vaccine production at the UK based factory's.

So did the EU...

 

[BobKowalski]

Undoubtedly they did. Without malice

I agree there was no intent to deceive, but contracts were signed, 300m shots were promised by end of Jan, and here we are at the end of Jan with vaccine authorisation granted, and no shots to hand over.

Leaving the contract issue aside, the problem for AZ is they are a heavily regulated company operating in a heavily regulated sector and they are pissing off the people doing the regulating.

I also don’t think AZ signing a contract stipulating other contracts won’t impact their obligations is a wise move if their defence is the regulators should have known about the UK contract stipulations because it was mentioned in the press, therefore it’s the regulators fault for not doing a Google search.

 

[blueish swede]

I haven't seen the AZ-UK contract so this is to some extent speculation but from what I can gather from all the various reports they ae committed to delivering 30 million doses by September. That means they can reduce the deliveries from 2 million per week and till meet their obligations. So 6.2 would not apply as long as they can still deliver to the UK in the end.

It is amusing how easily people in the UK have been duped by this non-story. It's funny too, how all the Billy big bollocks are back. Have you forgotten when France shut down Calais for two days at New Year?

 

[The Stockport Iniesta]

How much is a substantial lump? How does she know?

Vic I can't link using this browser.

BBC article titled Covid: why is EU's vaccine rollout so slow?

 

[meltonblue]

I am not defending AZ in terms of their EU agreement, it’s not where my focus is. I am very grateful for the work they’ve done and by not making a profit in doing it but I can sympathise with the EU being annoyed, even though they have made a mess of it themselves.

What I cannot abide is their acting like a gangster state towards the UK, because of their cock up. This whole border issue is going to be big now I feel and we need to stand our ground.

They’ve essentially given a massive reason for those that wished to leave to wave around, I honestly cannot believe they’re throwing their weight around like this.

I am not sure if it’s the new leadership, that woman looks dead behind her eyes, but the EU is and was a force for good, it’s beyond disappointing.

Their argument will be it’s not their cock up though, it’s AZ’s. It’ll also be pressure due to their vaccine rollout being so shit and potentially being pissed off with us depending on what clauses we put in our contract given what the AZ CEO said. AZ really should have just explicitly said they’re still fulfilling the initial order for the U.K, wouldn’t have helped them with the EU but might not have created some of the shitstorm it has.

 

[Tb1981]

I am not defending AZ in terms of their EU agreement, it’s not where my focus is. I am very grateful for the work they’ve done and by not making a profit in doing it but I can sympathise with the EU being annoyed, even though they have made a mess of it themselves.

What I cannot abide is their acting like a gangster state towards the UK, because of their cock up. This whole border issue is going to be big now I feel and we need to stand our ground.

They’ve essentially given a massive reason for those that wished to leave to wave around, I honestly cannot believe they’re throwing their weight around like this.

I am not sure if it’s the new leadership, that woman looks dead behind her eyes, but the EU is and was a force for good, it’s beyond disappointing.

Well they are just proving certain folk right Now
Hardline remainers will continue to kiss their arse whatever but your average person will just think fuck the EU even more.
Might even improve on the 52% in last referendum now!

 

[Del_Bosque]

So did the EU...

The EU didn’t pay for any increase in capacity at UK sites did they?

The deal with the UK was signed long before and at the time of signing with UK they were planning on having 30 million doses stockpiled for the UK by Sept.

The EU sites were where the money was used from the advanced purchase agreement

 

[bluwes]

So did the EU...

Much much less the UK and the US

 

[Metal Biker]

Piss off every person on the island of Ireland and reaffirm the loyalist movement in NI probably.

My mate is Republican Catholic from Belfast and he’s livid they’re being used in this manner.

So is the Irish PM by the sounds of things.

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

Enacting the protocol? What exact purpose is that going to serve?

Obviously trying to provoke a response from the otherwise gleefully reticent UK government.

 

[Ban-jani]

I haven't seen the AZ-UK contract so this is to some extent speculation but from what I can gather from all the various reports they ae committed to delivering 30 million doses by September. That means they can reduce the deliveries from 2 million per week and till meet their obligations. So 6.2 would not apply as long as they can still deliver to the UK in the end.

It is amusing how easily people in the UK have been duped by this non-story. It's funny too, how all the Billy big bollocks are back. Have you forgotten when France shut down Calais for two days at New Year?

What’s funny is the lack of objectivity from some that never expected the EU to behave in this manner.

I was one of them, the EU is the best major power on the planet, when you compare them to the US, China, Russia etc. they stand alone in terms of ethics and fairness.

It’s why I wanted to remain and be apart of that.

This however, is them at their very worst and I can only put it down to the current leadership.

It’s not like them at all, it really isn’t.

This isn’t a storm in a teacup, as much as we all want it to be, they’re now moving to stop exports on the island of Ireland, it’s an act of aggression and isn’t in spirit of the GFA.

I genuinely thought it would be our government to pull something like this.

 

[The Stockport Iniesta]

So did the EU...

Why the problems at the Pfizer plant then, they are having to slow production to increase production longer term. This should have been done months ago.

 

[Vic]

I haven't seen the AZ-UK contract so this is to some extent speculation but from what I can gather from all the various reports they ae committed to delivering 30 million doses by September. That means they can reduce the deliveries from 2 million per week and till meet their obligations. So 6.2 would not apply as long as they can still deliver to the UK in the end.

It is amusing how easily people in the UK have been duped by this non-story. It's funny too, how all the Billy big bollocks are back. Have you forgotten when France shut down Calais for two days at New Year?

6.2 is not relevant

 

[Metal Biker]

Obviously trying to provoke a response from the otherwise gleefully reticent UK government.

Which will be blamed for causing the whole thing without actually doing anything remotely antagonistic.

NOW the thread becomes political again.

 

[blueish swede]

The EU didn’t pay for any increase in capacity at UK sites did they?

The deal with the UK was signed long before and at the time of signing with UK they were planning on having 30 million doses stockpiled for the UK by Sept.

The EU sites were where the money was used from the advanced purchase agreement

We don't know that, do we? The EU gave 130M (I think) to AZ to improve and increase their production. If some of that money went to the UK then the EU can expect to see the benefit.

 

[metalblue]

I agree there was no intent to deceive, but contracts were signed, 300m shots were promised by end of Jan, and here we are at the end of Jan with vaccine authorisation granted, and no shots to hand over.

Leaving the contract issue aside, the problem for AZ is they are a heavily regulated company operating in a heavily regulated sector and they are pissing off the people doing the regulating.

I also don’t think AZ signing a contract stipulating other contracts won’t impact their obligations is a wise move if their defence is the regulators should have known about the UK contract stipulations because it was mentioned in the press, therefore it’s the regulators fault for not doing a Google search.

Are you suggesting the EU is spiteful and unprofessional and would enact revenge on AZ under the pretence of regulation? Glad we’re not part of that sort of club anymore!!

I don’t think it was 300m by end of Jan mate but I know the point you’re making. I’m sure AZ would love nothing more than delivering the doses to schedule to all their customers.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

The eu really doesn’t look good right now. Even papers like the guardian seems to be critical

seems ludicrous that they’ve only just approved the vaccine

 

[03 March 2002]

Even our politicians had the foresight to opt out of the EU vaccine roll out plan. Laughable.