Political relations between UK-EU

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

The EU want vaccines made in the UK to be diverted to the EU. While at the same time they are threatening to put a stop to exports. If they do that we should make clear they wont get any supplies from UK based companies.
Any UK government will always put its citizens first. Thats its duty.

I just wonder with all this posturing by power-mad wannabe-Napoleons where my next fleet of Mercs is coming from. I suspect a phone call from Stuttgart to Berlin to Paris will sort out a few 'misunderstandings' and Macron can take his granny-wife out for a nice afternoon tea at Ladurée, or have Ladurée to sort out his afternoon tea at the Elysée, and cease fuckin' about with stuff that he barely understands. Mind, he won't be the first politico not have to a grasp on 'sciency' stuff! Funny thing is that Thatcher appears to be the only politician of any note who did!

 

[metalblue]

It did. We funded it That is absolutely the whole point.
Then it was to be rolled out globally, at cost
Look at the press releases when the Oxford / AZ deal was signed April 30

So you’re saying that the AZ vaccine has only been produced in UK facilities? Nowhere else on planet earth? I think you’re confusing local production utilisation with a global roll out.

 

[Invisible Man's Bandage]

The bizarre thing is that the Oxford/Astra Zeneca vaccine is our gift to the majority of the global population. Its is very cheap, easy to distribute in poorer countries without sophisticated supply chains and it will be sold at cost to medium and low income countries in perpetuity.

Edit: you could give the Pfizer vaccine for free to these countries and apart from who would foot the enormous bill they couldn't roll it out anyway.

 

[ayrshire_blue]

I dissagree, if the EU behaves like they are and bullys their way to the front of the queue, you just dont accept what they are doing and carry on supplying them. That would be foolish. The UK has a right and duty to put its own citizens first. You stand up to bullys.

As blueparrot says, it won't happen anyway, but we have a moral duty as a wealthy nation to protect our citizens AND citizens of other countries during a global health emergency. Would you be happy with us vaccinating completely healthy 25 year olds whilst a 65 year old from Italy or Austria with health conditions can't get near a vaccine because of short supply? Whether that's a consequence initially caused by an EU fuck up or not, it won't help and human lives would be lost if we took your stance.

 

[Ban-jani]

As blueparrot says, it won't happen anyway, but we have a moral duty as a wealthy nation to protect our citizens AND citizens of other countries during a global health emergency. Would you be happy with us vaccinating completely healthy 25 year olds whilst a 65 year old from Italy or Austria with health conditions can't get near a vaccine because of short supply? Whether that's a consequence initially caused by an EU fuck up or not, it won't help and human lives would be lost if we took your stance.

If we didn’t vaccinate that healthy 25 year old, and instead diverted vaccines away to other countries, then the said 25 year old sadly died, every finger in the country would be firmly pointed at the Prime Minister and the mouth breathers would be calling him a murderer again.

On a personal level I agree with you but realistically, the PM’s job is to get everyone vaccinated in the UK first.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Have they started blockading the Channel Islands yet?

They've had a few committee meetings, and discussed sending the French navy
in, and a decision will be made in three months.

 

[mcfc1632]

Why are so many on here happy to jump on the EUs side with everything, it all smells a bit Vichy to me.

In an attempt to be fair to them:

I guess when you have spent 4 years extolling the virtues and values of anything to do with the EU and rubbishing the UK it is difficult to look at any situation and assess and speak of it with any objectivity

 

[meltonblue]

Which sites are those then if you'd elaborate?

Just checked again and I’m wrong. Apologies - was reading too many docs at the same time, that’s only sites for the substance as I’m sure you knew already!

Is that not still the issue though - that the yield from the U.K. is said to be used in both the APA and the CMA? I’d be very interested to have seen what the redacted bits of schedule A said too. I was reading this morning that when the contract was initially uploaded, the EU actually uploaded an unredacted copy that’s stayed up for a while, missed that though...

 

[journolud]

In an attempt to be fair to them:

I guess when you have spent 4 years extolling the virtues and values of anything to do with the EU and rubbishing the UK it is difficult to look at any situation and assess and speak of it with any objectivity

works both ways, when you have spent four years adamantly repeating the brexit message it becomes impossible to acknowledge any negatives.

 

[hgblue]

Massive opportunity for the UK to take the moral high ground here. We will hopefully be in a position to help and we should. Meanwhile, the EU are busy confiscating ham sandwiches.

 

[Invisible Man's Bandage]

Panic over, stand down.

The Spanish Foreign Minister has said that triggering Article 16 was 'an accident'.

So that's cleared it all up.

 

[journolud]

Massive opportunity for the UK to take the moral high ground here. We will hopefully be in a position to help and we should. Meanwhile, the EU are busy confiscating ham sandwiches.

of course it is as simple as that.

 

[mat]

Tragedy as Daily Mail readers wank themselves to death after EU finally makes mistake

Elation tragically turned to sorrow yesterday as the EU’s hamfisted handling of vaccines export restrictions gave Brexiters one glorious moment of vindication that soon turned deadly as the subsequ…

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Not really satire.

 

[Invisible Man's Bandage]

Tragedy as Daily Mail readers wank themselves to death after EU finally makes mistake

Elation tragically turned to sorrow yesterday as the EU’s hamfisted handling of vaccines export restrictions gave Brexiters one glorious moment of vindication that soon turned deadly as the subsequ…

newsthump.com

Not really satire.

Desperate stuff, to be fair.

It shows how fucking pathetic the EU has been when even the most fanatical Europhiles can't muster a single argument to support their actions.

 

[meltonblue]

Panic over, stand down.

The Spanish Foreign Minister has said that triggering Article 16 was 'an accident'.

So that's cleared it all up.

Thing is, it takes an “accident” from quite a lot of people to get to the stage it did.

There’s no defending it.

 

[blueparrot]

Massive opportunity for the UK to take the moral high ground here. We will hopefully be in a position to help and we should. Meanwhile, the EU are busy confiscating ham sandwiches.

It is, and unrelated to this but was wondering.We backed multiple horses not knowing which vaccines would work and when. It is now looking like all the horses could come in. Think it's about 370 million doses. So assuming everyone here is vaccinated by September we shouldn't need anymore until next year at the earliest. What happens to the nearly 300 million spare. Can they be stored for years or will we leave them with manufacturers to distribute elsewhere and get more when we need them.
Or should we take them and redistribute them to the parts of the world in most need. Just a thought ?

 

[mcfc1632]

Obviously this is one for the legal experts to sort and I doubt many who post on here fall into that cacategory.

TBF - for some the judgement can already be given

Whatever the EU wants

 

[hgblue]

It is, and unrelated to this but was wondering.We backed multiple horses not knowing which vaccines would work and when. It is now looking like all the horses could come in. Think it's about 370 million doses. So assuming everyone here is vaccinated by September we shouldn't need anymore until next year at the earliest. What happens to the nearly 300 million spare. Can they be stored for years or will we leave them with manufacturers to distribute elsewhere and get more when we need them.
Or should we take them and redistribute them to the parts of the world in most need. Just a thought ?

I’d like to think we are trying to ramp up production so we have excess vaccine supplies which we can send to those who need it. Not only is this the right thing to do, it also great pr for this country.

 

[BobKowalski]

Massive opportunity for the UK to take the moral high ground here. We will hopefully be in a position to help and we should. Meanwhile, the EU are busy confiscating ham sandwiches.

Not a bad idea. For example the EU needs to ensure Ukraine and North African nations it borders with are protected to mitigate possible mutation and reinfection. The soft power benefits of a UK supplying these countries with initial supplies before the EU gets its act together are considerable. To be cynical it would be smart diplomacy as well as occupying the moral high ground.

 

[Brightwell’s left peg]

They've had a few committee meetings, and discussed sending the French navy
in, and a decision will be made in three months.

If they send in the French Navy, we’ll just need to send out two men in a rowing boat. One to row, the other to man the catapult, and the white flags would be out in no time.