Political relations between UK-EU

[mcfc1632]

Relations between UK and EU or UK and Ireland? Because self evidently there is a shift in power and influence. Dublin can bend the ear of the Commission and got the A16 retracted. London does not have that level of influence given it is a non member, so yes it will impact relations, but how it impacts relations has to be seen in the context of who has the leverage.

Also consider and contrast how the EU whacked on the provision without even bothering to notify us via the proper channels. It’s in the Treaty, there you go. Johnson keep saying they will do it ‘if necessary’, the EU just skipped talking about it and pressed the button.

For the UK and Ireland it’s a nuclear option, for the EU it was an administrative function and that is warning sign because next time we are on the end of an administrative decision, a member state like Ireland may not have the skin in the game to intercede.

"For the UK and Ireland it’s a nuclear option, for the EU it was an administrative function and that is warning sign because next time we are on the end of an administrative decision, a member state like Ireland may not have the skin in the game to intercede."

You say.....

Is this the same BobK that has spent years waxing about the virtuous EU and their commitment to the GFA ? The same Bob that fawned over the EU's continuous demonstration of support and respect for Ireland?

etc.

And now - here you are lauding the imperial EU for pressing what you call the nuclear button without even the courtesy of first calling the Irish government

I would suggest that you might be guilty of being somewhat - inconsistent

@journolud - I respectfully suggest your time might be better spent educating Bob rather than pulling me up for simply post the truth

 

[BobKowalski]

"For the UK and Ireland it’s a nuclear option, for the EU it was an administrative function and that is warning sign because next time we are on the end of an administrative decision, a member state like Ireland may not have the skin in the game to intercede."

You say.....

Is this the same BobK that has spent years waxing about the virtuous EU and their commitment to the GFA ? The same Bob that fawned over the EU's continuous demonstration of support and respect for Ireland?

etc.

And now - here you are lauding the imperial EU for pressing what you call the courtesy of first calling the Irish government

I would suggest that you might by guilty of being somewhat - inconsistent

@journolud - I respectfully suggest your time might be better spent educating Bob rather than pulling me up for simply post the truth

Sir, this is a McDonald’s...

 

[meltonblue]

Beign a decent song doesn't matter in the Eurovision recently.

Yeah I know, was just saying ours aren’t even remotely interesting. I’d vote for the batshit crazy eastern European ones.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

VIelen dank, merci beaucoup, dank u well. MB! That's the one.

 

[Metal Biker]

Yeah I know, was just saying ours aren’t even remotely interesting. I’d vote for the batshit crazy eastern European ones.

I remember it best when it just was a bit of fun, not trying to be an X Factor wannabe show.

 

[mcfc1632]

Hypocrisy is astounding.

UK Gove threaten to break internal law - *Crickets*

EU enforce treaty article (albeit for a couple of hours) - "How dare Johnny Foreigner stick to rules!"

@journolud

I really am not seeing this widespread criticism of the EU's actions that you are suggesting I would

So I best go back to where I left off having seen you response to me and work my way through the thread

It seems that you were just 'pulling up one side of the debate' - and ignoring the stances of those on the other that you disagree with

You are certainly not alone in doing that - but please accept that I simply see such an attitude, when only applied to one side, as 'faux and convenient indignation'

 

[Metal Biker]

VIelen dank, merci beaucoup, dank u well. MB! That's the one.

You're welcome! :)

 

[mcfc1632]

Isn't there an EU navy that the French can call on?

I think that I heard that the Italians are in charge this year and they took dramatic action first thing yesterday as rumours of difficulties kicked off.

I believe that they have reported good progress as they have just dropped anchor outside Larnaca

 

[grunge]

Back to the contract. Not sure it’s been pointed out as it’s a fast moving thread.

the “redacted” contract released didn’t removed the bookmarks comments. Meaning using the right tool to read the document you can just view book marks as see all the text. This breaches the contract outright.

clause 5.4: states the UK plant is used in the supply chain. But 5.1: which is entirely about the initial supplies doesn’t mention UK.

from what I’ve been hearing from lawyer mates ( one who is from the EU and is pre EU ) thinks the EU don’t have a legal leg to stand on with this one.

I guess time will tell.

 

[journolud]

Ha - just popped back to check for good news from you

You have not really answered:

"Have Bob, Vic and other usual suspects come out clearly and stated that the EU is in the wrong?

Because if not - what are you saying to them to correct their stance?

If Bob and Vic have started criticising the EU - please tell me which page as I might need to skip a few pages"

If you cannot point to where they have done this - it would seem that a) I am not missing the point in either this post you are replying to or the previous oe i which you suggested that I was a WUM

As a reminder all I did was point out that for some the EU can do no wrong - unless you can point to clear criticism from Bob and Vic, you only seem to be confirming that I was/am correct

No I’m really not going to spend my time reading back through this thread and interpreting it for you just so I can win an argument on a football forum. I’m off for my daily walk before the match

 

[grunge]

Fanboys mate. They’ve saturated themselves in so much pro-EU guff that it’s got into every fibre of their being.

I find it absolutely bizarre that we have people jumping to the defence of the EU over this.

There are even countries in the EU think the EU are being a set of cunts over this. But our EU fanboys wouldn’t even consider it.

I am an EU fanboy, majorly pro remain, but clearly in this case the EU are massively in the wrong and I think they know it and are trying the use bluster and shouting to fight there way out of it.

 

[meltonblue]

Back to the contract. Not sure it’s been pointed out as it’s a fast moving thread.

the “redacted” contract released didn’t removed the bookmarks comments. Meaning using the right tool to read the document you can just view book marks as see all the text. This breaches the contract outright.

clause 5.4: states the UK plant is used in the supply chain. But 5.1: which is entirely about the initial supplies doesn’t mention UK.

from what I’ve been hearing from lawyer mates ( one who is from the EU and is pre EU ) thinks the EU don’t have a legal leg to stand on with this one.

I guess time will tell.

Yeah I mentioned it earlier. They removed it pretty quickly, but it’s beside the point. Really not a good day for them yesterday at all!

 

[MeatnSpudsMCFC]

Desperate stuff, to be fair.

It shows how fucking pathetic the EU has been when even the most fanatical Europhiles can't muster a single argument to support their actions.

They have. The premise effectively being we’re running a marathon and we should slow down for the fat kid at the back.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Do I think the EUs threat to use Article 16 was wrong? Yes
Do I think withdrawing the threat within a few hours was correct? Yes
Has the EU blundered on its handling of this? Yes
Does that cancel out Johnsons mistakes? No
Is Brexit a mistake still? Of course it is

 

[blueparrot]

Remember it’s highly likely the vaccine will turn into a yearly rollout.

Yes but if it is isn't it likely to be an adjusted version for boosters / new strains.

 

[grunge]

Yeah I mentioned it earlier. They removed it pretty quickly, but it’s beside the point. Really not a good day for them yesterday at all!

Yeah it’s not been a good time alround.

thing is stuff like this was entirely predictable ( vaccine war style ) It may be the first “skirmish” and it won’t be the last. Building massive production lines for vaccines with immediate demand is always going to raise tensions everywhere around the globe.

 

[blueparrot]

We didn't come out of the single market and customs union 'Because of the
conservative government,' it's what we voted for in a referendum to stay or leave, whichever govt it was.

Yes we did, and no we didn't after all N.Ireland has stayed in it.

 

[west didsblue]

Do I think the EUs threat to use Article 16 was wrong? Yes
Do I think withdrawing the threat within a few hours was correct? Yes
Has the EU blundered on its handling of this? Yes
Does that cancel out Johnsons mistakes? No
Is Brexit a mistake still? Of course it is

I’m not sure why quite a few can’t understand that it’s not inconsistent to hold those views.

 

[Brightwell’s left peg]

Isn't there an EU navy that the French can call on?

I think they’re still debating the pros and cons of having a navy. Once they’ve decided, the decision will go to a committee of non decision makers to debate further.

 

[Brightwell’s left peg]

Yes, we could've done that, but there's no need now, the French have just surrendered.

They must have heard of the two men in a boat plan.