Political relations between UK-EU

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west didsblue said:
Ever heard of EFTA?
It wouldn't have been ideal, but it would certainly have made more sense than pretending we're in the Pacific.
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Think it would help with the more immediate Irish issues at bit more adequately than any pacific block. Only a guess but wouldn't joining a different block to the one N. Ireland is in make it worse?
 
metalblue said:
Actually you might want to hold off on that bet mate. There are conflicts in our brexit deal that will take some working through- obviously Canada managed to align their trade agreements successfully however we’ve seen what a malicious and vindictive bunch the EU are over recents days so I think we might have a dog of a time of it.
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Yes, that's true, I agree, but I'm confident of what I believe, and the EU can
now do San Fairy Anne about who we decide to do deals with.
But yes, I can see more disruption, based on spite, towards inward lorry drivers etc;, which will cause more disruption and no doubt, yet more
condemnation of Brexit. That bit worries me not, it's a great stimulus
for banter on here;)
 
bluethrunthru said:
No - you totally got the wrong end of the stick - its a question for you - we went into the EEC so people bang on about because it was a reading bloc but it morphed into something that Leavers didn't like. The question is what happens if in a decade the member states want this to be more than a trading bloc..........then where do you stand?
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TBF - I think that people understood clearly the point that you were making - just found it to be a fanciful load of bollocks likely arising out of frustration at the penny dropping for you

But - to help with your question:

1. Crazy as your idea sounds - if it would come to pass - based on the EU - it is at least 30 years away

2. It would likely not come to pass because there is fuck all sign that the madness that infected the EU ideologues has spread anywhere else
 
metalblue said:
It certainly wasn’t a deliberate twist. I don’t do them without smiley faces

For me the post basically opined that the CPTPP could become like the EU and the question was posed how leavers would feel and that was presented as a rationale for not joining. I was merely pointing out what I saw as the obvious flaw in that. How did you read it (not a dig, genuinely curious in your take)?
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Glad to help (I think!)...

A reminder of his comment:

what will their view be in 6 - 10 years time when Australia and Canada want to start making rules and insisting that the other members follow them? When Japan start wanting to issue quality controls on foodstuffs and so on? Will that be another bloc there is a 20 year campaign to leave? Eventually you run out of trading blocs and have to come to terms with the fact that you are the snarky cunts who wants to have your cake and eat it and that constant arguing to make our economy smaller means nobody wants us anyway? Maybe we should start our own bloc now? Oh wait we can't we have already hived off NI and Gibraltar ...... we will never learn

I understood him to be wondering at the Brexit people getting excited about this. We've escaped all the EU rules (or at least we've got a deal whereby we stay tariff-free until we start changing rules) but said people are now welcoming a deal that already involves agreements on standards that (unlike the EU rules) we didn't help make (and in many cases had pressed for as an EU member). So his point was rather the opposite of your take - not necesarily against CPTPP but just surprised at the enthusiasm for (with no public consultation let alone a referendum) applying to join a distant "bloc" of countries (most of whom we already have a FTA with already - rolled over from our EU deals).

(A bit dated now but still valid): "The benefits of joining the CPTPP are also likely to depend on how successful the UK is at replacing, or ‘rolling over’, the existing FTAs it enjoys as an EU member state. The EU has signed FTAs with all of the CPTPP countries except Malaysia, Brunei, Australia and New Zealand, which the UK is therefore party to until the transition period ends. If the UK is able to roll over these existing EU–CPTPP agreements – admittedly far from guaranteed given the cool responses to the suggestion from Canada, Japan, Mexico, Singapore and Vietnam – the benefits of CPTPP membership could become quite limited."
www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/trade-cptpp

True, there's no "foreign court" for disputes, and I'm sure the Express and Mail would be the first to welcome the "ad hoc arbitration panel" ruling against the UK in any dispute.

Japan’s minister in charge of negotiations on the trade pact, Yasutoshi Nishimura, expressed hope on Twitter that Britain will “demonstrate its strong determination to fully comply with high-standard obligations” of the free trade accord. Does that sound like what a fully sovereign nation would agree to? Some Japanese functionary taking the piss out of our signing up for a club but not liking the rules? (Maybe he was serious and did mean he was sure he would comply...)
 
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Tiattos_Waterbottle said:
Still yet to hear a tangible benefit of Brexit. Biggest act of needless self harm a country has ever done.
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No mate, the EU countries have endangered their populations because of
the actions of their commission, ie; EU, which we are no longer bound by.
This has now, across the continent, been a huge fillip for Eurosceptic parties.
That's one massive benefit, and the self harm has been inflicted by the EU.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
Maybe the Dept of Trade could do something about this. You know, deliver a real brexit benefit

www.bbc.co.uk

Scotch Whisky Association reports £500m loss after US tariffs

Figures suggest exports of single malt have fallen by a third since a 25% tariff was imposed in 2019.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
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Is this what you're referring to?
www.thetimes.co.uk

Scotch tariffs ‘to fall under deal with Asia’

Scotch whisky tariffs will be cut in Asia under a new British trade deal with Pacific countries, the international trade secretary has pledged.
www.thetimes.co.uk www.thetimes.co.uk
 
west didsblue said:
The clue about the bigger flaw with the CPTPP as far as we're concerned is the second P. Maybe it will be good news for the descendants of the Bounty mutineers as the only British territory in that region is the Pitcairn Islands.
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'Flaw.'
We're still seeing the same nonsense time and again, how on earth anyone can
predict yet another trade deal, this one with a large group, and immediately assume it will be flawed is beyond any reason. We will be discussing improved trading conditions, that's it, we won't be paying for the privilege, or joining a bloc with two parliaments, none of that.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
'Flaw.'
We're still seeing the same nonsense time and again, how on earth anyone can
predict yet another trade deal, this one with a large group, and immediately assume it will be flawed is beyond any reason. We will be discussing improved trading conditions, that's it, we won't be paying for the privilege, or joining a bloc with two parliaments, none of that.
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Any future trade deal, arrangement, bloc admission, partnership that the UK engages in will forever be shit on without analysis or discussion by these lunatics simply because "it's not the EU!!" No other objections given its "just not as good as what we had wiv da EU!"

If the Seepy Teepeepee was so bad, why was the EU trying to get in it themselves?
 
west didsblue said:
Ever heard of EFTA?
It wouldn't have been ideal, but it would certainly have made more sense than pretending we're in the Pacific.
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TBF - this is where you get it repeatedly wrong - along with others

First and foremost the priority for the UK was to get out of the EU - everything else is a waaay lower priority

So nobody from the Leave side is comparing CPTTP with the EU or EFTA as some form of 'replacement'

You guys are indeed like the character in 'Groundhog day' - waking up everyday and starting afresh to consider how to convince people on a football forum we should never have left the EU

We are out - gone - and it seems never going back - in several decades at least

You are somewhere in the in the depths of the 7 stages of grief - a long way from acceptance
 
mcfc1632 said:
TBF - this is where you get it repeatedly wrong - along with others

First and foremost the priority for the UK was to get out of the EU - everything else is a waaay lower priority

So nobody from the Leave side is comparing CPTTP with the EU or EFTA as some form of 'replacement'

You guys are indeed like the character in 'Groundhog day' - waking up everyday and starting afresh to consider how to convince people on a football forum we should never have left the EU

We are out - gone - and it seems never going back - in several decades at least

You are somewhere in the in the depths of the 7 stages of grief - a long way from acceptance
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We are fully accepting of the complete mess people like yourself have now left british business in. Thanks.
 
bluejon said:
We are fully accepting of the complete mess people like yourself have now left british business in. Thanks.
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Free from a protectionist bloc, able to trade openly with other nations and regions around the world, free to join other trade blocs to increase trade and expand in an ever connecting world?

You're welcome! :D
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
Any future trade deal, arrangement, bloc admission, partnership that the UK engages in will forever be shit on without analysis or discussion by these lunatics simply because "it's not the EU!!" No other objections given its "just not as good as what we had wiv da EU!"

If the Seepy Teepeepee was so bad, why was the EU trying to get in it themselves?
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I know, it's now getting beyond lunacy, and talking to folk who will simply never change a view that's now utterly redundant is pointless. All this now
is the same old tripe about staying in, how we WILL be this that or the other,
and predictions about the next deal being shite even before we've started talking about it. As none of the doom ever happens, there's not much point.
So, it's back to all the other shit on here for a while, until the next EU humiliation occurs, and judging by the comments coming from Europe, it may not be a long while;)
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
Free from a protectionist bloc, able to trade openly with other nations and regions around the world, free to join other trade blocs to increase trade and expand in an ever connecting world?

You're welcome! :D
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I'm sure all of the companies that are struggling are overjoyed at the brave new world you lot have helped bring about. It's a mess. It didn't have to be a mess, but we ended up with Boris Johnson's brexit, which is about as thought through as everything else the man does. The deal he put in place is a joke, as will become increasingly apparent over the next 6 months.
 
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