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I didn't see all last night's match but what I did see confirmed many of the opinions expressed on here about Barcelona this season. The media portrayed this tie as a clash between European heavyweights with one bound to be eliminated. What we saw was a leg in which the genuine European heavyweight virtually assured its safe passage to the next round while the faded 'istry club is certain of elimination. Barcelona do not appear to be equipped for this level of competition. They have a still excellent goalkeeper (who seemed to preserve them from a repeat of the Bayern trouncing last season) but a back line riddled with holes. Further forward they appear to have wasted millions on players who did little or nothing to justify such spending. They were a poor, poor team. What was Messi's responsibility for this debacle and what does this tell us about the wisdom of any move City might make?

What I saw last night was certainly not vintage Messi by any means but some posts are nothing more than crude personal abuse and as contributions to genuine debate are meaningless drivel. Others argue that he made little effort to the point of being lazy. I have never believed Messi to be lazy and laziness was not his failing last night. PSG moved the ball upfield with such ease when I was watching that it was easy to bypass Messi. When Barca had the ball there did seem a tendency not to pass to him and he was left calling for the ball in vain. Marvin has said that Messi appeared demotivated and that seems to me a partial answer to his underwhelming performance. There may be a reluctance on the part of some players to play with him. He still looked a cut above his team mates to me.

Last summer we were told that Messi wanted to leave and that he wanted to come to City because Pep was the only manager who bring out the best in him. He wanted to end on two years of success, especially in the CL. From that it does not sound that motivation will be too much of a problem. I don't know where his future lies but I hope it's at City with Pep and the other members of our great team.
 
This is a deal for the now for the team and commercially for the group and club of which we shall have to trust the money men on. Personally I hope he comes ASAP!
 
Sir Joe Aguero said:
I don't want to compare our excellently ran club with that shitshow in Barcelona, but 'It's not our money anyway' and a few years later, 1.2bil in debt.

Our wage structure is very carefully crafted. We only have 3 players on over 200k a week, Ederson's on 65k which is mental. Cancelo's on 80k a week! Messi comes in on 100mil a year, that goes all out the window. That's why FDJ is on 400k a week, Griezmann on 800k a week. It could VERY quickly bite us in the arse.
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You're right, our wage structure is carefully crafted and we're a well run team.

So if we sign Messi you have to trust our more than capable suits that we can afford it.
 
StillBluessinceHydeRoad said:
I didn't see all last night's match but what I did see confirmed many of the opinions expressed on here about Barcelona this season. The media portrayed this tie as a clash between European heavyweights with one bound to be eliminated. What we saw was a leg in which the genuine European heavyweight virtually assured its safe passage to the next round while the faded 'istry club is certain of elimination. Barcelona do not appear to be equipped for this level of competition. They have a still excellent goalkeeper (who seemed to preserve them from a repeat of the Bayern trouncing last season) but a back line riddled with holes. Further forward they appear to have wasted millions on players who did little or nothing to justify such spending. They were a poor, poor team. What was Messi's responsibility for this debacle and what does this tell us about the wisdom of any move City might make?

What I saw last night was certainly not vintage Messi by any means but some posts are nothing more than crude personal abuse and as contributions to genuine debate are meaningless drivel. Others argue that he made little effort to the point of being lazy. I have never believed Messi to be lazy and laziness was not his failing last night. PSG moved the ball upfield with such ease when I was watching that it was easy to bypass Messi. When Barca had the ball there did seem a tendency not to pass to him and he was left calling for the ball in vain. Marvin has said that Messi appeared demotivated and that seems to me a partial answer to his underwhelming performance. There may be a reluctance on the part of some players to play with him. He still looked a cut above his team mates to me.

Last summer we were told that Messi wanted to leave and that he wanted to come to City because Pep was the only manager who bring out the best in him. He wanted to end on two years of success, especially in the CL. From that it does not sound that motivation will be too much of a problem. I don't know where his future lies but I hope it's at City with Pep and the other members of our great team.
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Great post. Have had serious reservations about him joining, and watching the match last night thought he was lazy. Then decided to do some research. He has been accused of laziness for years, not just recently . When you read about him in the article below you get a different perspective. I am not saying that he would easily fit in with a current Pep team , but just to balance the argument, this article below may be interesting to some posters.

fivethirtyeight.com

Messi Walks Better Than Most Players Run

The Argentinian star doesn’t run as much as his peers, but he still manages to tactically position himself.
fivethirtyeight.com fivethirtyeight.com
 
OccupiedPalestineBlues said:
Unless you’re a good mate of Messi’s and he’s told you that he’s on a go slow for sure then I’m not convinced that he’s stopped running as a ‘fuck you‘ to his club.
I actually like to think that’s he’s a good professional and that he gives his all for his ridiculously bloated salary but I could be wrong and if that is the case then I wouldn’t want a player who takes the money and deliberately short changes his team mates and supporters.

I think he’s been the best in the world by a fair margin, that he’s been running all his life, that he’s just got to a point where he’s had to slow down and that having their team built around a slow and ageing Messi is now the prime cause of Barca’s recent struggles on the pitch.
I don’t think they’ll win jack until they move him along and start to play as a team of 11 players again.

However, I’m happy to be proven wrong. If we do take him then it’ll be because Pep think’s he can still get a tune out of him and Pep knows better than me of course so I won’t be moaning if that happens.
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Why is this not apparent to everyone? Am I missing something here?
 
MessiFC said:
Did you watch the match?

did you watch the match?
ah yes, i remember you - you are a brainless psycho PR7 fan.

As if Messi was a goalkeeper or a defender. people always blaming my boy, football is a game with 11 players not 1...

Literally scored a goal and could have had 3 assists if Dembooty and Griezmann finished their 1 on 1 chances...

Your boy would be so bad in Prem right now. He knows he can only score in farmers’ league.



Why last 2 years of his career? Interesting take lol


That is the most strange comment I have read today. Wtf? Why not the other way around? In case you didn’t know: he is the best finisher in the world...


It is so sad that so many of y’all are brainless. Disrespecting the greatest of all time. Quite funny.
And these are just a few quotes...
if he comes to City you better hide - he will tear your league apart.
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dam
 
jrb said:
Loads of figures on the internet.

Picked this one.

Probably just conjecture.

Explains a bit more via the think.

Gives an insight into what City could make a season/year from Messi signing.

At today's exchange rate $175mill is £126mill. Or £250mill on a 2 year contract

In return, his new team could expect $175 million of value per year if the Argentinian forward stays true to form, according to a calculation from Matt Balvanz, vice president of analytics at Navigate, a data-driven consulting firm in sports and entertainment.

www.livemint.com

What’s Lionel Messi worth? One calculation says $175 million

About 2 million Messi jerseys are sold each year at prices ranging from $100 to $200.Teams typically net 15% of apparel proceeds, so his new team could expect about $45 million from jersey sales alone
www.livemint.com www.livemint.com
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This calculation is worthless.
 
So many negative posts & quite rightly so but if you believe Messi coming to City to just puss about then your mad

He doesnt give a fuck right now the team has been shit for 3 seasons, that midfield & Defence couldnt stop Sheff UTD scoring a couple of goals

The whole club top 2 bottom stinks, its fucked & right now i fucking love it

If you think Messi doesn't have anything left in the tank then your crazy
Why are people moaning about how much it will cost or his 2,3 or 4 year deal i dont fooking care this is the best player on the planet who has a chance to play for City yes Lionel Messi coming to Man City

Please don't sound like every other negative cnut from all the other fans, pundits, TV or Journos who will be Absalutely taking the piss either how can City afford him or hes finished bullshit

Messi still has lots to offer especially in a team coached by the best & a team who totally dominate the ball
Messi will create havoc around the box chances & he will Absalutely finish 9 out of 10 chances in an around the box unlike the players we have to date
Add the penaltys we wont miss

Again the money going out wont be anywhere near the money coming into the CFG, this 1 player puts the club top of the tree in a couple of years above PSG & even UTD where the owner wants to be

Silver Lake & Chinese Entertainment company even PUMA are not on board to watch Mahraz, Mendy play they want the best & I believe we could be watching that in August

Messi brings in a 3rd of Barca income thats enough to say yes

I also believe he wont need to play every game with the squad we have again nothing that Barca have had since Inesta & Xavi days

I think your crazy if you don't think Messi in this team under Pep is right
 
Parisian said:
This calculation is worthless.
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I did say take it with a pinch of salt.

Anyway, how are PSG going to afford Messi, Naymar, Mbappe and the rest?

Trying to comply with UEFA, FFP, on all those wages is worthless.

Love to see how the Qataris are going to get around this one if Messi does sign for PSG?
 
Been watching old messi clips when he was coached by Pep, in the clips and highlights iv seen when Barca defend hes still not pressing hes doing exactly what hes doing now walking at the top of the pitch then exploding when in the final third. But its easier for him in that pep team back then due to Xavi and Iniesta. they would keep Messi in play it looked like with short passes here and there. then out of no where Messi magic looks to me that yes hes the best player in the world but he does need those players around him that can keep him in the game.

I look at barca now and there not really any players in the midfield who keep Messi in the game. Dani Alves , iniesta, Xavi and Henry at the time kept Messi in the game with passes here and there. short one twos then hed explode into action setting up a chance or scoring a goal. Its weird to say this but watching the way Barca played back then there are starting to be simalarities in how Man city play.

Hed thrive here im sure, i think and my opinion would be that Pep is going to play him as a false 9, so he dosent have to press and let everyone else press so Messi can just concentrate on the attacking side of play. so it looks like Messi walking around the pitch is just normal for him.
 
jrb said:
I did say take it with a pinch of salt.

Anyway, how are PSG going to afford Messi, Naymar, Mbappe and the rest?

Trying to comply with UEFA, FFP, on all those wages is worthless.

Love to see how the Qataris are going to get around this one if Messi does sign for PSG?
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I didn't say it is worthless because of PSG but Messi won't sell same numbers of shirt he is selling at Barça wherever he goes (maybe in MLS). Therefore, their first assumption is already worthless. The rest is as equally useless.

I don't know if and how PSG are going to afford Messi, Neymar and Mbappé. As it stands, only Neymar is a sure bet if the increasing rumours about his soon-to-be-announced renawal are true. Maybe Mbappé won't be there in the next months and maybe Messi won't join PSG regardless of Mbappé situation.

The only thing i know is that PSG is set to save 35 M a year in transfer amortization if Neymar renews with the same salary. This shouldn't be even close to what Messi will ask from his suitors and PSG is already tanking hard due to Covid. Thus, it should be impossible to sign him but they seem keen on pursuing him. My guess is they only can offer him some Qatar Airways, Qatar National Bank or whatever other Qatari firms ambassador deal. Neymar is indeed partner with QNB and Qatar Airways.

On the other hand signing with QNB and QA, with Neymar already their partner, would lower the legitimacy and the value of those deals. They would need to find another prominent company. This is why i think from the start it is a no go. City has more to offer just in the structure of a deal and for his post-european career and everything.

That being said, they are certainly more creative and resourceful than i am. They will certainly find a way to offer him a nice proposal, otherwise it wouldn't make sense courting him.
 
Interesting that people want to say he is finished because he is 'walking' or "How can he play for City when he doesn't press"

From the great man himself, Pep Guardiola";

“The only difference is that we run less – we were running too much,” the manager said. “Without the ball you have to run. But with the football you have to walk, or run much less: stay more in position and let the ball run, not you."

Pep doesn't need Messi to chase down defenders if we have the other 9 players on the pitch doing it,

We can have the likes of Foden and Jesus hounding defenders to win the ball back and then we get the modern reincarnation of 'give it to Gordon' and we 'give it to Lionel' who knocks it past another defender and puts it in the top bins for his 5th of the afternoon.

Messi has single handedly been dragging Barca to trophies and results in recent years. Imagine the new lease of life he would get if he played for us, we could be fresh off the back of some more finals and trophies and then Messi joins for a swan song with his pals both on and off the pitch.
 
Damanino said:
We need to change the team around him to make sure everyone else running into the ground for him as he wont do much defending, running back, pressing etc.

We need to ask KDB, Sterling, Gundo etc to dig deep and work harder for the team 3x more.

but on the other side Messi will be able to help us unlock defences, parked buses, create/score chances from nothing, have defenders on him more meaning others may have more space to attack etc.
He will score loads of freekicks, pens too.

Messi lost pace, intensity, workrate a lot but David Silva did as well, or imagine how would Lescott would play for us now. :D

The crazy amounts dont make sense tho, especially the 3 years at City and more somewhere else, I dont see him having 3 more seasons in a European top club. He will be washed and cooked broccoli in that very last season and more injuries possibly while any club would still need to kind of start him week in week out to make his salary make sense.
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How do you know that Messi will be washed???? In 3 years he will be 37, nearly Cristiano’s age. And Cristiano plays really well... wtf why do you make Messi like 60 years old lol
you guys don’t really watch him. He can play at high level until 40 or more.
rickmcfc said:
Completely agree. just make sure you've got your body armor on when the "Bbbbbbbbut its Lionel messi" brigade turn up.
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No wonder you guys hate Messi - he destroyed your team every time in the UCL.

but now it is high time for him to join City to win quadruple and the UCL. I hope so.
 
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