#7 | Raheem Sterling - 2020/21 Performances

[jimmygrimblesboots]

Raheem Sterling he's top of the league :)

 

[WallyA]

There's a difference between discussing a players performance, and saying the player should be sold and isn't good enough.

If you don't believe people make comments on the latter, then you might wanna look at this thread from the beginning of this season.

I think people should be allowed to criticize Sterling (any player), even if we play well, that's not my problem, my problem is the extreme negativeness of reactions that he should be sold or he doesn't even have footballing ability, those comments are so hyperbolic they scream bias, stubborness or stupidity.

 

[FromPollockToSilva]

Wasn’t overly involved last night. Seemed to be instructed to largely stay wide and stretch the pitch. We definitely prioritized the Walker/Bernardo/Mahrez combination on the other flank, to pretty decent effect it should be said

Does look a bit more confident in taking people on right now, but wasn’t able to do so in dangerous areas of the pitch last night

 

[WallyA]

Wasn’t overly involved last night. Seemed to be instructed to largely stay wide and stretch the pitch. We definitely prioritized the Walker/Bernardo/Mahrez combination on the other flank, to pretty decent effect it should be said

Does look a bit more confident in taking people on right now, but wasn’t able to do so in dangerous areas of the pitch last night

That's a good assessment about last night, I wish we got more level headed responses like this.

 

[Ric]

There's a difference between discussing a players performance, and saying the player should be sold and isn't good enough.

If you don't believe people make comments on the latter, then you might wanna look at this thread from the beginning of this season.

I think people should be allowed to criticize Sterling (any player), even if we play well, that's not my problem, my problem is the extreme negativeness of reactions that he should be sold or he doesn't even have footballing ability, those comments are so hyperbolic they scream bias, stubborness or stupidity.

Well said. Constructive criticism is fine, but it gets tedious for most of us when player threads just descend into the same arguments between the same posters. If someone doesn’t think Sterling is playing well that’s fine, they should be able to voice that opinion as long as it’s considered and balanced instead of hyperbolic nonsense. Equally though, it’s not necessary to keep making the same points ad nauseum after every single performance. That tends to wind people up.

I’ve tidied the thread up again today, but we’ll have to start issuing thread bans in future if it carries on. Keep it sensible, and use the ignore function if necessary.

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

Well said. Constructive criticism is fine, but it gets tedious for most of us when player threads just descend into the same arguments between the same posters. If someone doesn’t think Sterling is playing well that’s fine, they should be able to voice that opinion as long as it’s considered and balanced instead of hyperbolic nonsense. Equally though, it’s not necessary to keep making the same points ad nauseum after every single performance. That tends to wind people up.

I’ve tidied the thread up again today, but we’ll have to start issuing thread bans in future if it carries on. Keep it sensible, and use the ignore function if necessary.

Repetitious arguments over the same game/performance are indeed tiring. A quick comment that such performance has continued into the next game is fine.

We all have our differing opinions.

What's bad is that the discussion becomes emotional/repetitive.

If someone has a particular take for or against a player in a new game - I'm open to hearing it - best is to present a timeline of play for the player in the new game enforcing a particular viewpoint.

Often though, these sorts of arguments devolve into nothing more than a, "He's terrible," "No he's not" argument with zero insight either way.

 

[FantasyIreland]

There's a difference between discussing a players performance, and saying the player should be sold and isn't good enough.

If you don't believe people make comments on the latter, then you might wanna look at this thread from the beginning of this season.

I think people should be allowed to criticize Sterling (any player), even if we play well, that's not my problem, my problem is the extreme negativeness of reactions that he should be sold or he doesn't even have footballing ability, those comments are so hyperbolic they scream bias, stubborness or stupidity.

So using two examples.....its ok to suggest Mahrez or Jesus arent good enough or could be sold,but Sterling is off limits?

What's the difference?

That sounds very selective and hardly fitting of reasonable debate,does it not?

 

[WallyA]

So using two examples.....its ok to suggest Mahrez or Jesus arent good enough or could be sold,but Sterling is off limits?

What's the difference?

That sounds very selective and hardly fitting of reasonable debate,does it not?

That's fair, and I'll expand what I mean as I perhaps wasnt clear.

Anybody can feel any player isnt good enough (Sterling) included, but what I see is then insults towards Sterling and even lies about all that he has offered over 5 years and how vital he has been.

The Jesus debates are currently specific to his finishing and I feel the discussions havent gone into insults or lies, they are good discussions that are interesting, unlike the Sterling ones.

The Mahrez debates are usually about his consistency with people giving examples about that, and also perhaps about whether he fits out stylr, and the arguments are fair and civilized for whichever side your on.

To br clear, I dont want to be the thought police here, but also, hate and lies towards a player really suck. Similar things happened in Rodri and Gundogans thread where some criticisms were good, but they were drowned out by the hate and lies towards them.

 

[FantasyIreland]

Equally though, it’s not necessary to keep making the same points ad nauseum after every single performance. That tends to wind people up.

Of course the same points are going to be made after each game if the player continues to display the same weaknesses......as those are the same reasons frustration exists and his performances are being criticised by some.

It wouldn't be much of a player discussion thread if everyone only picked out the positives to his game.

Equally,not accepting those weaknesses,and then throwing insults in response,winds people up just as much.

If you cant tolerate alternative thinking,or reply without being abusive,stay off the thread.

 

[FantasyIreland]

That's fair, and I'll expand what I mean as I perhaps wasnt clear.

Anybody can feel any player isnt good enough (Sterling) included, but what I see is then insults towards Sterling and even lies about all that he has offered over 5 years and how vital he has been.

The Jesus debates are currently specific to his finishing and I feel the discussions havent gone into insults or lies, they are good discussions that are interesting, unlike the Sterling ones.

The Mahrez debates are usually about his consistency with people giving examples about that, and also perhaps about whether he fits out stylr, and the arguments are fair and civilized for whichever side your on.

To br clear, I dont want to be the thought police here, but also, hate and lies towards a player really suck. Similar things happened in Rodri and Gundogans thread where some criticisms were good, but they were drowned out by the hate and lies towards them.

Im not sure you have read the Mahrez thread,he isnt wanted at our club and the comments dont sugar coat that fact.Equally Jesus is constantly berated by some as being not good enough,get rid.

What lies have been said about Sterling? what isnt fair?

 

[WallyA]

Im not sure you have read the Mahrez thread,he isnt wanted at our club and the comments dont sugar coat that fact.Equally Jesus is constantly berated by some as being not good enough,get rid.

What lies have been said about Sterling? what isnt fair?

Like I said, posters can say they dont want Mahrez at the club. If it has escalated into hates and lies then that isnt good, and I'd agree with you.

I dont see anything like this on Jesus thread which I am more often reading, like I said, some people may criticize his finishing in some instances and ne unhappy want him gone, that's fine, they can be wrong, but as long as it's not hateful or constant lies then its fine.

As for Sterling, some people criticism him so unfairly they even go as far as to say he is physically weak or a poor tackler, this is very reaching. I have also read people say Sterling has no football IQ, and I could list more. They are insulting and just not true.

 

[FantasyIreland]

Like I said, posters can say they dont want Mahrez at the club. If it has escalated into hates and lies then that isnt good, and I'd agree with you.

I dont see anything like this on Jesus thread which I am more often reading, like I said, some people may criticize his finishing in some instances and ne unhappy want him gone, that's fine, they can be wrong, but as long as it's not hateful or constant lies then its fine.

As for Sterling, some people criticism him so unfairly they even go as far as to say he is physically weak or a poor tackler, this is very reaching. I have also read people say Sterling has no football IQ, and I could list more. They are insulting and just not true.

Do you see any negatives or weaknesses in his game? if so.....what do you think he could improve on?

 

[FantasyIreland]

Like I said, posters can say they dont want Mahrez at the club. If it has escalated into hates and lies then that isnt good, and I'd agree with you.

I dont see anything like this on Jesus thread which I am more often reading, like I said, some people may criticize his finishing in some instances and ne unhappy want him gone, that's fine, they can be wrong, but as long as it's not hateful or constant lies then its fine.

As for Sterling, some people criticism him so unfairly they even go as far as to say he is physically weak or a poor tackler, this is very reaching. I have also read people say Sterling has no football IQ, and I could list more. They are insulting and just not true.

So the 'lies' are that he doesn't show enough strength and he isn't a poor tackler.

Any others?

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

Do you see any negatives or weaknesses in his game? if so.....what do you think he could improve on?

Answering even though you didn't pose the question for me...

Any weaknesses/negatives currently?.. not really for me. Sometimes he'll go cold and struggle a bit - but all players are that way.

Otherwise - Sterling very often beats his man or sometimes multiple men on defense, able to cut in towards goal and deliver a cross - or at the top of the box, he'll often cut inwards and deliver a telling shot.

Personally, I'm really very happy with Sterling - he's improved tremendously under Pep's tutelage.

 

[WallyA]

Do you see any negatives or weaknesses in his game? if so.....what do you think he could improve on?

Please reply to my comments once if you can, keeps things neater in here, I will reply to both messages here.

Sterling is not very good at 1on1s and is more of an instinctive finisher. He is also not varied in his abilities to create chances for others, it's not in his game and I'm okay with it, his link up play somewhat makes up for it but not fully. Hes also a confidence player, his overall game improved with belief, you see him take on more and more players lately, I accept that he needs this, I can see others not happy that he needs it though.

I'm not gonna go back deep into this thread because I'm not crazy, but I've heard people say like I already said, that he has no football IQ, he cant pass, he cant control the ball or dribble. He wouldn't last this long under Pep if those things were true. Probably more I heard but I dont have the time.

 

[FantasyIreland]

Answering even though you didn't pose the question for me...

Any weaknesses/negatives currently... not really for me. Sometimes he'll go cold and struggle a bit - but all players are that way.

Otherwise - Sterling very often beats his man or sometimes multiple men on defense, able to cut in towards goal and deliver a cross - or at the top of the box, he'll often cut inwards and deliver a telling shot.

Personally, I'm really very happy with Sterling - he's improved tremendously under Pep's tutelage.

Yes he is capable of all that and when it comes off,brilliant,he's a great option and asset,and a big reason we are doing so well.

However....what about when he frequently fails to hold the ball up,fails to beat his man,doesnt show enough strength in 50/50's,runs down blind alleys,makes poor decisions on the ball,bottles it on one or ones........all things that seem more prevalent in his game than the stuff you mention.

Or am i wrong and lying?

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

@WallyA
>> "Sterling is not very good at 1on1s"
Can you provide some evidence of this? - site games where this occurs preferably with game footage.

For me, Sterling is a deadly quick, able dribbler - he'll beat one or more opponents with frequency to the touchline to deliver a cross - too, he'll beat many defenders for pace moving central to deliver a shot.

 

[WallyA]

@WallyA
>> "Sterling is not very good at 1on1s"
Can you provide some evidence of this? - site games where this occurs preferably with game footage.

For me, Sterling is a deadly quick, able dribbler - he'll beat one or more opponents with frequency to the touchline to deliver a cross - too, he'll beat many defenders for pace moving central to deliver a shot.

Oh yeah I wrote that wrong. I meant 1on1 finisher, not dribbler, my mistake.

Been writing too much on here lol.

I'll leave the mistake there though.

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

Oh yeah I wrote that wrong. I meant 1on1 finisher, not dribbler, my mistake.

Been writing too much on here lol.

I'll leave the mistake there though.

Yeah, he's a bit inconsistent still when 1-on-1 with the keeper in front of goal - but he's much, much better now than in the past. I put his improvement in large part down to Pep, instilling confidence. Probably he's going to get even more clinical as time goes by.

 

[FantasyIreland]

Please reply to my comments once if you can, keeps things neater in here, I will reply to both messages here.

Sterling is not very good at 1on1s and is more of an instinctive finisher. He is also not varied in his abilities to create chances for others, it's not in his game and I'm okay with it, his link up play somewhat makes up for it but not fully. Hes also a confidence player, his overall game improved with belief, you see him take on more and more players lately, I accept that he needs this, I can see others not happy that he needs it though.

I'm not gonna go back deep into this thread because I'm not crazy, but I've heard people say like I already said, that he has no football IQ, he cant pass, he cant control the ball or dribble. He wouldn't last this long under Pep if those things were true. Probably more I heard but I dont have the time.

Thank you for touching on his faults,even if you did your best to dilute them.

I believe his faults are far more worthy of criticism,i also believe while he is no longer the defenders worst nightmare of a couple of seasons back,he is still a very effective player at times.However,i also believe its fair to suggest we could find a player who would perform consistently better for us.