#7 | Raheem Sterling - 2020/21 Performances

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BlueMoonFromAcrossThePond said:
Yeah, he's a bit inconsistent still when 1-on-1 with the keeper in front of goal - but he's much, much better now than in the past. I put his improvement in large part down to Pep, instilling confidence. Probably he's going to get even more clinical as time goes by.
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Yeah it can improve with time.
 
FantasyIreland said:
Thank you for touching on his faults,even if you did your best to dilute them.

I believe his faults are far more worthy of criticism,i also believe while he is no longer the defenders worst nightmare of a couple of seasons back,he is still a very effective player at times.However,i also believe its fair to suggest we could find a player who would perform consistently better for us.
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Tried to have a discussion, then you say things like this.

He can be criticized, but alot of them are really bad criticisms and become hateful or have lies, I'm just saying the same over and over again.

Your last sentence is not fair to suggest, that's the lie.
 
BlueMoonFromAcrossThePond said:
Yeah, he's a bit inconsistent still when 1-on-1 with the keeper in front of goal - but he's much, much better now than in the past. I put his improvement in large part down to Pep, instilling confidence. Probably he's going to get even more clinical as time goes by.
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Possible,but at 26,and after playing fooytball at this level for 10 years,the signs that he will improve that area of his game arent great.
 
WallyA said:
Tried to have a discussion, then you say things like this.

He can be criticized, but alot of them are really bad criticisms and become hateful or have lies, I'm just saying the same over and over again.

Your last sentence is not fair to suggest, that's the lie.
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You don't think you diluted his weaknesses? No player can ever do better for us than Sterling?

I think that's why we have an issue with each others opinion.You believe the sun shines out if his arse,i dont.

Nothing more to say,cheers.
 
WallyA said:
That's fair, and I'll expand what I mean as I perhaps wasnt clear.

Anybody can feel any player isnt good enough (Sterling) included, but what I see is then insults towards Sterling and even lies about all that he has offered over 5 years and how vital he has been.

The Jesus debates are currently specific to his finishing and I feel the discussions havent gone into insults or lies, they are good discussions that are interesting, unlike the Sterling ones.

The Mahrez debates are usually about his consistency with people giving examples about that, and also perhaps about whether he fits out stylr, and the arguments are fair and civilized for whichever side your on.

To br clear, I dont want to be the thought police here, but also, hate and lies towards a player really suck. Similar things happened in Rodri and Gundogans thread where some criticisms were good, but they were drowned out by the hate and lies towards them.
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FantasyIreland said:
So using two examples.....its ok to suggest Mahrez or Jesus arent good enough or could be sold,but Sterling is off limits?

What's the difference?

That sounds very selective and hardly fitting of reasonable debate,does it not?
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I think part of the reason people are fed up is because 3 months ago you wanted to sell:

- Stones - 50% of the best CB partnership in the league fof 15 years.

- Gundogan - PFA POTY front runner.

- Bernardo - right back to his best.

- Zinchenko - not just back to his best but improving on his game considerably.

- Sterling
- Mendy
- Mahrez

You've given up on wanting the first 4 to be sold presumably because their performances have been so good that arguing for them to be sold at this point would be lunacy.

And instead of thinking "maybe I should learn from writing off all these players who are actually very good and just wait for their form to return", you're just doubling down on wanting Sterling sold, and making the same old complaints daily even though I think 90% of people would say his form is improving again.

You never just limit things to talking about someone being out of form, it always escalates to how they must be sold immediately and its tiresome.

And then when people push back and say a player is just out of form, you seem to just double down and start minimising or eradicating all the contributions they have made to justify why they must be sold.
 
domalino said:
I think part of the reason people are fed up is because 3 months you wanted to sell

Stones - 50% of the best CB partnership in the league fof 15 years.

Gundogan - PFA POTY front runner.

Bernardo - right back to his best.

Zinchenko - not just back to his best but improving on his game considerably.

Sterling
Mendy
Mahrez

You've given up on wanting the first 4 to be sold preaumably because their performances have been so good that arguing for them to be sold at this point would be lunacy.

And instead of thinking "maybe I should learn from writing off all these players who are actually very good and just wait for their form to return", you're just doubling down on wanting Sterling sold, and making the same old complaints daily even though I think 90% of people would say his form is improving again.

You never just limit things to talking about someone being out of form, it always escalates to how they must be sold immediately and its tiresome.

And then when people push back and say a player is just out of form, you seem to just double down and start minimising or eradicating all the contributions they have made to justify why they must be sold.
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Rubbish in the most part.

The only player i wanted out of the club was Gundogan,as like many,i never saw him regaining his fitness or form of old.He has proved me wrong,which is brilliant.

Stones and Bernardo were not getting an opportunity and i suggested they would be better looking elsewhere,both are players i have praised consistently.

Zinchenko doing well,but could still be bettered and is a viable option for bring in good money,same with Sterling.

Mahrez? you think he's the answer?
 
domalino said:
I think part of the reason people are fed up is because 3 months ago you wanted to sell:

- Stones - 50% of the best CB partnership in the league fof 15 years.

- Gundogan - PFA POTY front runner.

- Bernardo - right back to his best.

- Zinchenko - not just back to his best but improving on his game considerably.

- Sterling
- Mendy
- Mahrez

You've given up on wanting the first 4 to be sold presumably because their performances have been so good that arguing for them to be sold at this point would be lunacy.

And instead of thinking "maybe I should learn from writing off all these players who are actually very good and just wait for their form to return", you're just doubling down on wanting Sterling sold, and making the same old complaints daily even though I think 90% of people would say his form is improving again.

You never just limit things to talking about someone being out of form, it always escalates to how they must be sold immediately and its tiresome.

And then when people push back and say a player is just out of form, you seem to just double down and start minimising or eradicating all the contributions they have made to justify why they must be sold.
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You replied to me also, is this a mistake? Are you saying I wanted these players sold?
 
FantasyIreland said:
Rubbish in the most part.

The only player i wanted out of the club was Gundogan,as like many,i never saw him regaining his fitness or form of old.He has proved me wrong,which is brilliant.

Stones and Bernardo were not getting an opportunity and i suggested they would be better looking elsewhere,both are players i have praised consistently.

Zinchenko doing well,but could still be bettered and is a viable option for bring in good money,same with Sterling.

Mahrez? you think he's the answer?
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FantasyIreland said:
I'd be looking to replace Mahrez,Gundogan,Mendy,Zinchenko,Bernardo,StonesAguero and,if the right replacement was available,Sterling.

A couple of those can be done via the academy.
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Summer outgoings

I believe we need a mini overhaul come the summer,and that will include making a few big/hard decisions and placing some popular players on the list.The team has gone stale in midfield and attack,and i dont see Pep turning to the Academy for the solution,so we are gonna have to do some serious...
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I think it's fair to say you're too quick to wish players out the door, but your complete refusal to believe you might be wrong about Sterling like you were about the other 4 is so stubborn it's almost imporessive.

Anyway we've disagreed on Sterling for years so I don't really want to keep going back and forth.
 
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FantasyIreland said:
Of course the same points are going to be made after each game if the player continues to display the same weaknesses......as those are the same reasons frustration exists and his performances are being criticised by some.

It wouldn't be much of a player discussion thread if everyone only picked out the positives to his game.

Equally,not accepting those weaknesses,and then throwing insults in response,winds people up just as much.

If you cant tolerate alternative thinking,or reply without being abusive,stay off the thread.
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I’ve said my bit. It’s up to you (and others) whether or not you heed the warning.
 
domalino said:
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Summer outgoings

I believe we need a mini overhaul come the summer,and that will include making a few big/hard decisions and placing some popular players on the list.The team has gone stale in midfield and attack,and i dont see Pep turning to the Academy for the solution,so we are gonna have to do some serious...
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You clearly are too quick to wish players out the door, but your complete refusal to believe you might be wrong about Sterling like you were about the other 4 is so stubborn it's almost imporessive.
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Nothing wrong with that thread,it was a debate about where we could possibly mprove,I never suggested I was right,it was open for debate but as ever you like a pile on and an opportunity to play to the audience.

As for Sterling,who said im not wrong? I want him to become the player you and others pretend he currently is.But that won't prevent me calling it as I see it right now.

And I see your other tactic of the edit after the reply is still a favourite ;-)
 
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I thought Sterling was class first half last night, wasn’t brilliant 2nd half but didn’t exactly stink the place out.

He is back in form now and has been playing very well.
 
FantasyIreland said:
Nothing wrong with that thread,it was a debate about where we could possibly mprove,I never suggested I was right,it was open for debate but as ever you like a pile on and an opportunity to play to the audience.

As for Sterling,who said im not wrong? I want him to become the player you and others pretend he currently is.But that won't prevent me calling it as I see it right now.

And I see your other tactic of the edit after the reply is still a favourite ;-)
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Maybe you shouldn't have titled the thread 'Summer Cull' if all you wanted was a nice polite debate. Hardly the crime of the century but it does come off a bit strong.
 
What an enigma, scores the winning goal but was absolutely awful. Lacks basic passing ability and touch at times and whenever he does something good he messes it up at the end.

The first 15 minutes summed him up really.

Happy for the win but those performances just make you so fustrated.
 
Genuinely fantastic header, I think he surprised himself with that. got put through into some brilliant positions and squandered them all himself without forcing the keeper to do anything. Got himself into some brilliant positions with good positive running then squandered them all when he had to engage his brain. Score the winner and we can ignore it but his overall game is not good enough.
 
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