Coronavirus (2021) thread

[MillionMilesAway]

Teachers is tricky:
In December, in the press conference announcing regulation of the AZ vaccine, the JCVI specifically said their recommendation was that teachers be vaccinated higher up the ladder.

This morning:
Asked about how the under-50s will be prioritised, he told BBC Breakfast: “The Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) are looking at that and we will absolutely follow what they recommend.
“The recommendation for phase one has been correct because it’s based on clinical assessment of who is most vulnerable to be hospitalised or have serious infection and sadly death in some cases.
“So we’ll go back to the JCVI and they will make that recommendation and we will follow that recommendation.”

 

[roubaixtuesday]

A bit more detail on that Scottish study from the beeb.

If the detail backs up the headlines, this is absolutely wonderful news. Far more important than whatever Johnson announces.

Covid vaccines - 'spectacular' impact on serious illness - BBC News

First evidence from the UK's vaccine programme shows a reduction in hospital admissions in Scotland.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[N1985]

Cheers. Just had hers back and negative too

She hasn’t slept much the past couple of weeks worrying about the virus, so it’s probably just her run down and picking up a bit of a winter bug

Absolutely fantastic news that pal. A massive relief for both of you I can imagine!

 

[Del_Bosque]

Bit suprising, I suppose anecdotal evidence you see when your out and about can make you think otherwise

 

[roubaixtuesday]

A bit more detail on that Scottish study from the beeb.

If the detail backs up the headlines, this is absolutely wonderful news. Far more important than whatever Johnson announces.

Covid vaccines - 'spectacular' impact on serious illness - BBC News

First evidence from the UK's vaccine programme shows a reduction in hospital admissions in Scotland.

www.bbc.co.uk

And the press release on which all the reporting is based.

No actual scientific paper or formal report yet.

Vaccine linked to reduction in risk of COVID-19 admissions to hospitals - News - Public Health Scotland

Vaccination has been linked to a substantial reduction in the risk of COVID-19 admissions to Scotland’s hospitals

publichealthscotland.scot

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

And the press release on which all the reporting is based.

No actual scientific paper or formal report yet.

Vaccine linked to reduction in risk of COVID-19 admissions to hospitals - News - Public Health Scotland

Vaccination has been linked to a substantial reduction in the risk of COVID-19 admissions to Scotland’s hospitals

publichealthscotland.scot

in that case, vaccines are effective by a million billion percent, but can cause you to hoot like an owl.

I don't have a scientific paper or formal report yet either.

 

[Nellies left peg]

Bit suprising, I suppose anecdotal evidence you see when your out and about can make you think otherwise

It would be the strictest lockdown if everyone adhered to it. The lockdown conditions may be the strictest but is the conformation of it being followed therefore making it strict. I doubt that.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

in that case, vaccines are effective by a million billion percent, but can cause you to hoot like an owl.

I don't have a scientific paper or formal report yet either.

Not really.

It's a trustworthy source - public health Scotland. Two reputable universities are involved.

You can read the paper describing the pre-planned analysis linked from that press release (this is really important because it prevents cherry picking after the data is known).

There's a hierarchy of knowledge here, and sure, more would be nice, but it's definitely somewhere high up there already, and with all possible respect, considerably above "random anonymous dude going on about owls"!

 

[shemnel]

Total covid cases, hospital admissions and deaths for 85+ in all settings in England. Also (in yellow) the % of all deaths in 60+ from 85+ year olds is falling steadily.

The figures are getting weird. Good to see the deaths coming down, and apparently at a faster rate for 85+ than all 60+, but we are reaching a point where hospital admission with a positive covid test is reaching a huge percentage of actual cases. At the moment the admissions are larger than cases, but there is obviously a delay between test and hospitalisation so there's a lag. Still, doesn't stop the positive result to hospital admission being >50%. Which is mad. So if anyone has any good theories.....
(there must be loads of quirks and oddities to this data)

 

[BlueAnorak]

And the press release on which all the reporting is based.

No actual scientific paper or formal report yet.

Vaccine linked to reduction in risk of COVID-19 admissions to hospitals - News - Public Health Scotland

Vaccination has been linked to a substantial reduction in the risk of COVID-19 admissions to Scotland’s hospitals

publichealthscotland.scot

Ah yes, but the Scotish data set IS available to the medical scientific community and will be joined by English data set later today.
Those dealing with medical stats tell me that the raw data is astonishingly good.
Oh and this was part of my day job 14 years ago so I know a few people who HAVE seen the data.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Ah yes, but the Scotish data set IS available to the medical scientific community and will be joined by English data set later today.
Those dealing with medical stats tell me that the raw data is astonishingly good.
Oh and this was part of my day job 14 years ago so I know a few people who HAVE seen the data.

Great to hear. Good to read that Scotland are doing so well and hopefully the picture is as positive across the U.K.

 

[Gabriel]

Not really.

It's a trustworthy source - public health Scotland. Two reputable universities are involved.

You can read the paper describing the pre-planned analysis linked from that press release (this is really important because it prevents cherry picking after the data is known).

There's a hierarchy of knowledge here, and sure, more would be nice, but it's definitely somewhere high up there already, and with all possible respect, considerably above "random anonymous dude going on about owls"!

"the Universities of Edinburgh, Strathclyde, Aberdeen, Glasgow and St Andrew’s analysed data on vaccine effect."

So, which three are you holding in ill repute? ;-)

 

[Claytop]

A bit more detail on that Scottish study from the beeb.

If the detail backs up the headlines, this is absolutely wonderful news. Far more important than whatever Johnson announces.

Covid vaccines - 'spectacular' impact on serious illness - BBC News

First evidence from the UK's vaccine programme shows a reduction in hospital admissions in Scotland.

www.bbc.co.uk

I think it's scandalous the attempts that have happened to try and discredit the AZ vaccine, seems to be having a negative effect in Europe as well with people refusing to have it.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

"the Universities of Edinburgh, Strathclyde, Aberdeen, Glasgow and St Andrew’s analysed data on vaccine effect."

So, which three are you holding in ill repute? ;-)

Haha! Well spotted, my bad.

 

[blue b4 the moon]

I think it's scandalous the attempts that have happened to try and discredit the AZ vaccine, seems to be having a negative effect in Europe as well with people refusing to have it.

Yeah backed the wrong horse and spun it away.

At least the PF is doing well also.

 

[Healdplace]

That study on the efficaciousness of the vaccines in Scotland is obviously the one I posted in here about last week when that BMooner was on here saying he only wanted Pfizer because it was by far the best.....

I had hoped our AZ 'mole' could back up the media rumour that Boris was shown this data last week. Which supported earlier thinking that Pfizer may be better at stopping you catching Covid full stop but AZ better at stopping you getting very sick if you do. As in near 100%

Which is exactly as these results suggest. Early doors as they are and so cautious as we must be.

If it pans out and as the scientist said they will have data on the death figures in a week or two as these take longer to compile as there are fewer of them to make it viable and deaths lag catching Covid by some weeks - then we will seem to have two vaccines that are better at different things not one great vaccine and one rubbish one that everyone should avoid.

I always thought that was where this was headed and the campaign to do down AZ was not based on science as much as politics and commercial opportunism.

But anything that stops people hesitating or turning down a vaccination because it might be that rubbish Oxford one is good news for us all.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Total covid cases, hospital admissions and deaths for 85+ in all settings in England. Also (in yellow) the % of all deaths in 60+ from 85+ year olds is falling steadily.

The figures are getting weird. Good to see the deaths coming down, and apparently at a faster rate for 85+ than all 60+, but we are reaching a point where hospital admission with a positive covid test is reaching a huge percentage of actual cases. At the moment the admissions are larger than cases, but there is obviously a delay between test and hospitalisation so there's a lag. Still, doesn't stop the positive result to hospital admission being >50%. Which is mad. So if anyone has any good theories.....
(there must be loads of quirks and oddities to this data)

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I think there's something awry with your figures? - England current cases are ~10,000 (7 day average) and deaths ~450 daily - from the FT tracker.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

Not really.

It's a trustworthy source - public health Scotland. Two reputable universities are involved.

You can read the paper describing the pre-planned analysis linked from that press release (this is really important because it prevents cherry picking after the data is known).

There's a hierarchy of knowledge here, and sure, more would be nice, but it's definitely somewhere high up there already, and with all possible respect, considerably above "random anonymous dude going on about owls"!

it was tongue in cheek.

 

[shemnel]

I think there's something awry with your figures? - England current cases are ~10,000 (7 day average) and deaths ~450 daily - from the FT tracker.

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85+ only in my figure (the yellow line is % of all deaths over 60, but everything else is 85+ only in england), hence the smaller totals.
it's straight from covid dashboard

 

[Healdplace]

Wales data:

9 deaths - was 16 last week

319 cases - was 363 last week

3.2% positivity - was 4.2% last week

Weekly Pop Score 80 - was 83 yesterday and 92 last week