Is it important to you to win the Champions League?

Is it important to you to win the Champions League?

  • Yes

    Votes: 206 67.5%

  • No

    Votes: 99 32.5%
  • Total voters
    305
I think winning it is also important because it will unite the fans. You can see from this thread that there is a split amongst the fans and, whilst hardly acrimonious, it surely has to be better if we're all committed to wanting to win it. I genuinely think that winning it for a first time will go a long way towards bridging this divide.
 
John Wayne said:
I think winning it is also important because it will unite the fans. You can see from this thread that there is a split amongst the fans and, whilst hardly acrimonious, it surely has to be better if we're all committed to wanting to win it. I genuinely think that winning it for a first time will go a long way towards bridging this divide.
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I don't think there is really a divide as such it's just that the older fans put more importance on the traditional trophies that we can win.

Fast forward 20 years and we are competing in the shiny European super league (Hell could be a world league by then) and the younger City fans may feel the same way about that as older fans now think of the CL, they may still feel that winning the CL is more important than the European or World super league.

As City fans we can at least agree that traditional trophies are the most important surely? Without tradition football is nothing more than a manufactured spectacle with no soul.
 
mexico1970 said:
I don't think there is really a divide as such it's just that the older fans put more importance on the traditional trophies that we can win.

Fast forward 20 years and we are competing in the shiny European super league (Hell could be a world league by then) and the younger City fans may feel the same way about that as older fans now think of the CL, they may still feel that winning the CL is more important than the European or World super league.

As City fans we can at least agree that traditional trophies are the most important surely? Without tradition football is nothing more than a manufactured spectacle with no soul.
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I'm not sure that this issue is one that can broadly be divided along generational lines but I can understand why people might think that this is the case. I know older City fans who are keen to win it and younger ones who are less keen.

When you say that we "can agree that traditional trophies are the most important" then I'm not sure. I would bet that most people would say that the league is most important and the biggest achievement, and you'd have a hard time arguing against it. But if you are talking about tradition, the European Cup was round five years before the League Cup. I cannot agree that the domestic cups are as important as the CL to either me or the club. The FA Cup is a grand old trophy but has been severely devalued by broadcasters, managers and administrators alike. It is no longer the great competition it once was and Cup Final day is just another day and another television fixture. The prize for winning it means little to the top clubs. The League Cup is a long-running joke that needs binning off. Attendances are pitiful and not even teams whose best chance of winning a trophy (Everton, Newcastle, etc). take it seriously.

I'd be quite happy for football to revert to how it was 70 years ago with a league, a cup, a World Cup, no League Cup and no European football, but I know that it would never happen. The reality is that the game has changed from what we grew up with and nobody cares whether or not we win the domestic cups, except for us. If we're being truthful, we feel the same. So when United won the FA Cup in 2016, few batted an eyelid but when Liverpool won the CL in 2019 we were disappointed.
 
John Wayne said:
I'm not sure that this issue is one that can broadly be divided along generational lines but I can understand why people might think that this is the case. I know older City fans who are keen to win it and younger ones who are less keen.

When you say that we "can agree that traditional trophies are the most important" then I'm not sure. I would bet that most people would say that the league is most important and the biggest achievement, and you'd have a hard time arguing against it. But if you are talking about tradition, the European Cup was round five years before the League Cup. I cannot agree that the domestic cups are as important as the CL to either me or the club. The FA Cup is a grand old trophy but has been severely devalued by broadcasters, managers and administrators alike. It is no longer the great competition it once was and Cup Final day is just another day and another television fixture. The prize for winning it means little to the top clubs. The League Cup is a long-running joke that needs binning off. Attendances are pitiful and not even teams whose best chance of winning a trophy (Everton, Newcastle, etc). take it seriously.

I'd be quite happy for football to revert to how it was 70 years ago with a league, a cup, a World Cup, no League Cup and no European football, but I know that it would never happen. The reality is that the game has changed from what we grew up with and nobody cares whether or not we win the domestic cups, except for us. If we're being truthful, we feel the same. So when United won the FA Cup in 2016, few batted an eyelid but when Liverpool won the CL in 2019 we were disappointed.
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I don't see this competition as the European cup mate, it's an abomination that really is IMO the most corrupt sporting trophy in the history of football.

As for the "Nobody cares if we win domestic trophies" I'm not a City fan that wants to win something just because other certain fans of other clubs care that we have, I take your point though opinions are all acceptable we're not drones.
 
just like all the other things we win credit will be down to money. so the importance of winning is limited
i have always been bread and butter win the title and anything after that is just a bonus
 
'You're not a big club until...'

First it was winning back-to-back PL titles, and we did that and it wasn't enough. Then we have to win the Champions League.. and if we do you just know there will be a huge caveat placed on the achievement.

'You only won it because...'

'Not as good as (insert Red club here)'s achievement...'

'Still not a big club because...'
 
Brightwell Bros. said:
I want to win it more than anything else. I'm bored of doing the "league is more important" line. Even the luckiest fans will only ever see their team win the CL a handful of times, and I want to be one of them. I want to get pissed with my old man and a bunch of strangers in a European square, and end up in a club singing we are the champions. If I can't have that I want to be in a Manchester pub in a warm summer Saturday night before piling into the streets knowing we are the best team in Europe and no one can tell us otherwise. I even want the stupid star above the badge and the stupid numbered patch on the side, and I want the numbered patch to go up until we can say we've won it more than Chelsea, and then United, and then Liverpool.
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Really couldn't have summed it up any better. What a feeling it would be to be Champions of Europe!
 
glasg0wblue said:
League Title for me is more important, but the Champions League would shut the media up.
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It wouldn't shut the media up though.

We would have to win it again,we'd have to win it with players brought through the youth academy or free transfers.We'd have to score two in the added on time,come back from 3 down etc etc.
 
Not the biggest fan of the Champs league for obvious reasons (UEFA), but I think we need to win it to show how far we have come and to be noticed on the world stage. Looks bad if Liverpool can do it and we can’t, but it’s a cup competition knock out, so anything could happen on the match day.
Personally I value Premier league the most.
But would love it if we won that Euro cup!
‘Champions of Europe’ does have a nice ring to it...
 
Its a rigged elite competition involving the same teams in latter stages, on a regular basis. Once we have won it once, probably would not be bothered too much thereafter. PL means more and is a better measure of how good a team is.
 
oh yes, really like to get it ticked off the list sooner rather than later, im 69 this yr so get yer finger out city, times running out
 
I dont enjoy the competition,the football is horrible in the main and the cheating reaches new heights.....however,its a trophy we need to win to get the monkey off our back (and Pep's) and to shut a few cunts up.
 
If we won the league and/or cup every year for the rest of my life and went out of the cartel cup in the group stage, I would die happy. Every time I hear some victim telling me it is the trophy that really matters, the less it matters to me. Just a personal view.
 
lust overlord said:
It wouldn't shut the media up though.

We would have to win it again,we'd have to win it with players brought through the youth academy or free transfers.We'd have to score two in the added on time,come back from 3 down etc etc.
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That may well be the case, but after we won the league in 2012 I really didn't care what anyone said about the legitimacy of our win or scale of our achievement. My worry now is that we are so conscious about what other people think and say about us that we occasionally forget why we are City fans and why we follow our club. 13 years ago we'd have merely been grateful to win any trophy for the experience of the joy of winning but now we apparently want to win things to shut people up or get one up on our rivals. A third of our fans here have said that the CL isn't important to them. I can't get why they wouldn't want to be partying with 20,000 blues until daybreak in a European city after lifting the trophy.

In many respects, the way we won the league in 2012 was our "Del and Rodney getting rich" moment. It was so great, so unique and so euphoric that nothing would ever touch it again. The thrill of the chase was over and nothing has really felt the same since. To my mind, the CL is the last chance to give me a new experience whilst following City. If you've followed the club for 30 years you've seen nearly everything. The CL is the last frontier. It's our biggest obstacle, stacked with adversaries along the way. To conquer it would be a fitting final chapter to the rise of our club.
 
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