Coronavirus (2021) thread

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True_Blue69 said:
Why? Life has to go on and a huge amount are now vaccinated whilst still shielding and socially distancing. Kids going back to school had to happen and this is the right time for me. The NHS is nowhere near overwhelmed and numbers going in is well down. We are opening up slowly, not sure what else you want?
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Surely it is a about managing the transition? There is a high baseline for the virus to take off, again.

Kids should’ve gone back staggered, exam kids only, for now.

If it takes off again, there will be more mutations, also.

Every press briefing has selfish questions about going to the pub etc.. Symptomatic of where we are as a society.
 
True_Blue69 said:
Why? Life has to go on and a huge amount are now vaccinated whilst still shielding and socially distancing. Kids going back to school had to happen and this is the right time for me. The NHS is nowhere near overwhelmed and numbers going in is well down. We are opening up slowly, not sure what else you want?
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I didn't realise we have all gone back to normal?

There were three-mile tail backs down Manchester Road today from 7am. Most were not even kids being driven to school.

The majority were seemingly van drivers, young single travelling people, certainly those not to have expected a jab.

That particular road is also a great barometer for traffic flow in general, being a main artery into Manchester.

The traffic jams are going the opposite way towards Alty.

People think it is over, it is far from.

We get back to normal when it is safe to do so, not when people decide they have had enough already.

Shops are still shut, people on furlough or told to work from home, yet there is ten-fold increase in my locality.

Let's see what these five-week junctures show.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Where did I say I was driving?

I was walking my little girl across the road to school.

Or should I say, I was trying to but even the lollypop man couldn't get across the box junction.
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how do you know. You said it’s gridlock in sale and alty. I live in alty I could not tell you that it’s gridlock on the roads around sale and alty. Sounds like you are exaggerating

but in the morning the roads are going to be busier this week as people now can take their kids to school to get their education. They may not live as close to school as you do so at that time in the morning will be taking their kids to school , some by car.

whoopy fucking do. Household that all live together move together in a car To school .

selfish bastards eh.
 
That fucking idiot Burnham embarrassing our city all year could start by getting the cones on Chester road removed for this ridiculous Covid cycle route. I have seen no more than ten bikes in a year use it. Drives me insane. Stupidity in the extreme.
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
how do you know. You said it’s gridlock in sale and alty. I live in alty I could not tell you that it’s gridlock on the roads around sale and alty. Sounds like you are exaggerating

but in the morning the roads are going to be busier this week as people now can take their kids to school to get their education. They may not live as close to school as you do so at that time in the morning will be taking their kids to school , some by car.

whoopy fucking do. Household that all live together move together in a car To school .

selfish bastards eh.
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How do I know? Because I have had personal experience of it this week and you state you don't?

Sounds simple enough, eh?
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
We get back to normal when it is safe to do so, not when people decide they have had enough already.
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Actually, there are two ways to exit a pandemic and you've mentioned both - medical and social. Social is exactly 'when people decide they've had enough.'

The messy bit potentially comes from who gets to decide and is why the politicians are in a difficult position. What one person may deem unsafe may be wildly different from what another deems low risk. So, it's the politicians' job to strike the balance and try and mange us all out of this crisis as one - or as much as they possibly can. Personally I can live with the government's roadmap but I hear plenty of people who are still hoping for an exit into such a low level of risk that would just be untenable.

This article is good and explains the conundrums well (particularly the last few paragraphs)

www.nytimes.com

How Pandemics End (Published 2020)

An infectious outbreak can conclude in more ways than one, historians say. But for whom does it end, and who gets to decide?
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

There was an interesting interview this morning on BBC breakfast with the Scottish National Clinical Director, Prof Jason Leach who I thought was really good and spoke really well (see around 1:17:20)

www.bbc.co.uk

BBC One - Breakfast, 10/03/2021

The latest news, sport, business and weather from the BBC's Breakfast team.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

I can't remember the exact wording he used as I'd only had one coffee but he basically said their meetings have 4 inputs - medical, educational, social and economic, So whilst plenty still believe medical should be the be all and end all, the reality in practice is there are other factors at play and life will have to go on at some point. For the politicians they can't just follow the medical advice by itself, because we'd all be locked up indefinitely to save every life. I fear there may soon come a flip from those that have suffered mentally from the lockdown who will soon be feeling free and revitalised, to those that will suffer because they can't accept exiting the current situation into a level of risk that is not close enough to zero for them. It's never going to be perfect either way but I personally think a social ending based on medical mitgations to a much reduced risk is our best way out hence why I can live with the government's plan. Increased road traffic, increased cases, increased mixing etc is not going to bother me because it's a necessity of exiting this misery - the key is the risk is much reduced to a point we can get on with living instead of existing and that's where we do need to take all the inputs into the decisions.
 
True_Blue69 said:
Why? Life has to go on and a huge amount are now vaccinated whilst still shielding and socially distancing. Kids going back to school had to happen and this is the right time for me. The NHS is nowhere near overwhelmed and numbers going in is well down. We are opening up slowly, not sure what else you want?
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The NHS is 'nowhere near overwhelmed'? I am curious as I have no idea what it is like. I only read contradictory statements on social media. Is what you said based on intimate knowledge and understanding of situations in a wide variety of hospitals? Do the hospitals now have enough capacity to now fulfill their usual, pre pandemic, duties?
 
Hospital data:

Another good day with falls almost across the board.


UK total:


Patients 8469 - it was 39, 248 at the peak on 18 Jan - (fall of 30, 779 in 51 days)

Ventilators 1240 - it was 4077 at the peak on 24 Jan - (fall of 2837 in 45 days)



England only:-

Patients: down 476 in day to 6975 v 9594 last week

Peak was 34, 336 on 18 Jan (fall 27, 361 in 51 days)

Ventilators: Down in day 50 to 1137 v 1507 last week

Peak was 3736 on 24 Jan (fall 2599 in 45 days)



Regions:



Patient // Ventilators // change in past 24 hours and v last week


East down 40 to 669 v 964 // up 1 to 108 v 128

London down 81 to 1400 v 1861 // down 19 to 338 v 479

Midlands down 88 to 1565 v 2181 // down 6 to 251 v 312

NE & Yorks down 139 to 1082 v 1629// down 20 to 145 v 199

North West down 49 to 1118 v 1447 // down 3 to 138 v 174

South East down 54 to 883 v 1184 // down 3 to 115 v 160

South West down 25 to 258 v 405 // stays at 41 v 55
 
Manc in London said:
The NHS is 'nowhere near overwhelmed'? I am curious as I have no idea what it is like. I only read contradictory statements on social media. Is what you said based on intimate knowledge and understanding of situations in a wide variety of hospitals? Do the hospitals now have enough capacity to now fulfill their usual, pre pandemic, duties?
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I got booked in for a minor operation(cancelled twice last year) at Trafford General last week, that tells me things are moving in the right direction ,obviously it's only one Hospital out of many
 
Manc in London said:
The NHS is 'nowhere near overwhelmed'? I am curious as I have no idea what it is like. I only read contradictory statements on social media. Is what you said based on intimate knowledge and understanding of situations in a wide variety of hospitals? Do the hospitals now have enough capacity to now fulfill their usual, pre pandemic, duties?
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Well seem as though lockdown prevented the nightmare scenario of the NHS being overwhelmed and we are now at a fraction of those numbers, I assume that hospitals are nowhere near overwhelmed. Healdplace also posts the total numbers in hospital and there are not that many.
 
True_Blue69 said:
Why would we be giving the vaccine to children? It doesn’t stop you catching it, but stops you getting seriously ill, which kids haven’t been anyway. Or have I missed something?
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It mentions that some of the children who were given the vaccine have cystic vibrosis. Perhaps children who have illnesses and would be classified as vulnerable would be one reason, secondary could be if it reduces transmission so less chance of spread to family etc and consequently less chance of mutations....I'm absolutely no expert here though so only guessing.
 
worsleyweb said:
That fucking idiot Burnham embarrassing our city all year could start by getting the cones on Chester road removed for this ridiculous Covid cycle route. I have seen no more than ten bikes in a year use it. Drives me insane. Stupidity in the extreme.
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Hows he still in a job
 
True_Blue69 said:
Well seem as though lockdown prevented the nightmare scenario of the NHS being overwhelmed and we are now at a fraction of those numbers, I assume that hospitals are nowhere near overwhelmed. Healdplace also posts the total numbers in hospital and there are not that many.
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Hospitals are forecast to be providing their usual full range of services from August. Things are progressing / recovering but there is still plenty more to do. In addition, a surge is expected in people who didn't come forward during the lockdown who have undiagnosed conditions. The Government's plan / timetable factors in these sorts of things so hopefully we don't go into another lockdown later in the year.
 
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