Hmm. Let's remember each other's takes on it and see how it plays out.
So it's not true then?Tory MP David Davis reveals whistleblower's explosive evidence of Nicola Sturgeon cover-up - including claims her chief of staff knew about Salmond 'sex misconduct' allegations two months EARLIER than she says and 'interfered' in process
another Westminster attack on Scottish democracy. Every time they do this they push Scotland another few metres towards independence.
Mind your own fucking business you bunch of lying tory bastards and concentrate on cleaning up the shit you wallow in.
Ahem, don't know what came over me there, I'm not normally so uncouth.
No idea. And whats more, I don't care. What is true is one parliament is interfering in the workings of another. This is just the start of a concerted political and media attack on Scottish government and devolution. I predicted months ago that now we are done with the evil empire (EU) the Scots would become the new enemies along with Eastern European fruitpickers and Syrian refugees drowning in the channel.So it's not true then?
Tbh mate I see it as no better or worse than another parliament attempting to undermine the union and UK foreign policy - politics I suppose.No idea. And whats more, I don't care. What is true is one parliament is interfering in the workings of another. This is just the start of a concerted political and media attack on Scottish government and devolution. I predicted months ago that now we are done with the evil empire (EU) the Scots would become the new enemies along with Eastern European fruitpickers and Syrian refugees drowning in the channel.
Frankly I couldn't care less if Salmond was draped in St Georges flags and made to morris dance up and down George Street for eternity. That might teach him to love the English.
when you say undermine the Union, do you not see that as a genuine debate generated by a large section of scottish voters? I'm not sure how you can compare that with interfering in an ongoing review sponsored by the Scottish Government. If by undermining foreign policy you mean Brexit then again, Scotland voted against it.Tbh mate I see it as no better or worse than another parliament attempting to undermine the union and UK foreign policy - politics I suppose.
Possibly, but like most debate in this country it will probably just become polarised and divisive. The people who love Sturgeon and believe she can do no wrong will continue to blindly support her, and those that don't won't. I don't see anyone's mind being changed either way. Opinion on independence in Scotland seems quite finely balanced like brexit was here, and depending upon what poll you believe or what day you have the ref the result could go narrowly either way.when you say undermine the Union, do you not see that as a genuine debate generated by a large section of scottish voters? I'm not sure how you can compare that with interfering in an ongoing review sponsored by the Scottish Government. If by undermining foreign policy you mean Brexit then again, Scotland voted against it.
It is politics. Its get Sturgeon, and it will backfire.
There are many, like me, that don't love Sturgeon or the SNP but will vote for them because that is the only way we see of getting a democratic voice. Lets see what pans out in May and we should return to this. We are already divided. Scotland wanted to remain in the EU, England didn't. Scotland has rejected Tory politics for 70 years or more, England hasn't. These are fundamental schisms mate.Possibly, but like most debate in this country it will probably just become polarised and divisive. The people who love Sturgeon and believe she can do no wrong will continue to blindly support her, and those that don't won't. I don't see anyone's mind being changed either way. Opinion on independence in Scotland seems quite finely balanced like brexit was here, and depending upon what poll you believe or what day you have the ref the result could go narrowly either way.
Same could be said for london with its remain vote and labour mayor I suppose.There are many, like me, that don't love Sturgeon or the SNP but will vote for them because that is the only way we see of getting a democratic voice. Lets see what pans out in May and we should return to this. We are already divided. Scotland wanted to remain in the EU, England didn't. Scotland has rejected Tory politics for 70 years or more, England hasn't. These are fundamental schisms mate.
London ain’t a country mate.Same could be said for london with its remain vote and labour mayor I suppose.
No, but surely it's views on the EU and lack of desire for tory rule should not simply be subsumed because the rest of the UK voted another way? Greater London is not the city of WestminsterLondon ain’t a country mate.
So what is your London solution? Independence?No, but surely it's views on the EU and lack of desire for tory rule should not simply be subsumed because the rest of the UK voted another way? Greater London is not the city of Westminster
Exclave of an independent Scotland along with other remain voting areas of England. Rename what's left of England as Brexittania where they will happily live off grass, cardboard and insects as long as they're out of the EU. Sounds like a plan.So what is your London solution? Independence?
Not really. My point being that you can take a single global govt or complete anarchy in terms of defining each individual person as sovereign or any point in between and argue a decent case for or against. With brexit when that was still an ongoing debate both sides tended to carve the vote up in a way that suited their position, and we see the same with the Scots indyref and calls for another.So what is your London solution? Independence?
Not really. My point being that you can take a single global govt or complete anarchy in terms of defining each individual person as sovereign or any point in between and argue a decent case for or against. With brexit when that was still an ongoing debate both sides tended to carve the vote up in a way that suited their position, and we see the same with the Scots indyref and calls for another.
I personally have to support the idea of Scottish independence or my own reasons for supporting brexit would be deeply hypocritical. Pretty much all the SNP's arguments for being independent almost mirror precisely my own wish for us to be without the EU. I think the SNP need to strike quickly and strike now as if we have a change of govt in Westminster or either of the two parties there become less shambolic the separatist support north of the border will evaporate. It's sort of now or never, but looking at the reshaping of defense policy yesterday it seems by fair means or foul independence will not be granted to Scotland for reasons of national security.
So I can’t see a change in a decade. I think the comparison of Scottish independence and Brexit is a faux argument as the U.K. always had sovereignty whereas Scotland does not.as if we have a change of govt in Westminster or either of the two parties there become less shambolic the separatist support north of the border will evaporate.
Yes, but of course some would argue that devolution delivered independence / sovereignty to your country - in much the same way as we were always reassured that this was the case within the EU. Sovereignty / independence are very much in the eye of the beholder it seems, and in a globalised capitalist world we are in truth all very much interdependent.So I can’t see a change in a decade. I think the comparison of Scottish independence and Brexit is a faux argument as the U.K. always had sovereignty whereas Scotland does not.
I agree with you that I think this Westminster government will do everything necessary to stop independence. The English have history in suppressing their colonies when the natives get uppity. ;-)
The British have history, not the English, let's not re-write the past. Much of the "empire" being acquired under Scottish, Dutch and German monarchs it should be noted.So I can’t see a change in a decade. I think the comparison of Scottish independence and Brexit is a faux argument as the U.K. always had sovereignty whereas Scotland does not.
I agree with you that I think this Westminster government will do everything necessary to stop independence. The English have history in suppressing their colonies when the natives get uppity. ;-)
Those that argue that would be mistaken though as many primary powers remain at Westminster. You are correct though, we are all interdependent in some way.Yes, but of course some would argue that devolution delivered independence / sovereignty to your country - in much the same way as we were always reassured that this was the case within the EU. Sovereignty / independence are very much in the eye of the beholder it seems, and in a globalised capitalist world we are in truth all very much interdependent.
“It's SHITE being Scottish! We're the lowest of the low. The scum of the fucking Earth! The most wretched, miserable, servile, pathetic trash that was ever shat into civilization. Some hate the English. I don't. They're just wankers. We, on the other hand, are COLONIZED by wankers. Can't even find a decent culture to be colonized BY. We're ruled by effete assholes. It's a SHITE state of affairs to be in, Tommy, and ALL the fresh air in the world won't make any fucking difference”The British have history, not the English, let's not re-write the past. Much of the "empire" being acquired under Scottish, Dutch and German monarchs it should be noted.
...and then we end up in a debate as to what we regard as 'primary powers'. Again I don't dispute your or the SNP's definition, but it is not a fixed thing and we all have a different take on it. Your Celtic bretheren in Cornwall are even more subsumed by the oppression of Westminster. They can't even have their nationality as a choice on the census and have no regional assembly.Those that argue that would be mistaken though as many primary powers remain at Westminster. You are correct though, we are all interdependent in some way.