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Would you be happy if City joined this European Super League?

  • Yes

    Votes: 109 5.3%

  • No

    Votes: 1,954 94.7%
  • Total voters
    2,063
Goats left knee said:
I think they’ll happily walk away from the premier league

city v united
Liverpool v real
Chelsea v Milan
Arsenal v Real Madrid

Leeds v Burnley
Everton v Newcastle
Villa v wolves
Brentford v palace

which games would you watch over the weekend?
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Non I choose between ramsgate fc or margate fc
 
BBC Breakfast reporting on the opposition from fans of the six clubs. Several comments from fans' groups. Nothing shown from City - probably the fans most strongly against it and giving a possible impression to viewers that City are not amongst the good guys.
 
Manchester_lalala said:
That’s probably our owners point of view. Mine is were becoming a part of the closed shop, greedy, snakey elite which we have despised for 10 years. I want more billionaires to invest in the likes of West Ham/Newcastle/Villa so the likes of Liverpool/United/Arsenal are just history boys, they’ve had their turn at the top, let some others have a go. This will never happen now and we’ll see the same teams at the top of global football for years. It’s a depressing thought and I don’t quite understand how some City fans can warm to the idea.
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OK let me perhaps phrase it another way.

The cartel happened. This league will be a massive money spinner. We can either be in it or out of it. For me, the reasons to be in it outweigh the ones to not be in it.
 
burning blue soul said:
I take it from that post you work in finance?
Ignore everything that matters.... because, y'know, money!!
These clubs are a manifestation of the communities, of the supporters. Do you understand that?
OUR clubs are being taken from us, because of greed.
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Actually, yes. Financial analysis is a big part of the day job. And that requires a specific skill: the ability to distinguish between outcomes which one would like to see happen and those which one expects to see happen. One week ago, I wanted City to win the quadruple this season, but I did not expect them to do so. My reasoned forecast of that outcome was correct ... it doesn't mean I have to like it.

In the post you quote, I outlined probable outcomes based upon rational analysis. Not emotion. That is what club owners and league officials will be working from too. My post outlines expected outcomes, as opposed to what I would like to see happen. My preferred outcome is the same as yours ... pretty much the status quo. My expected outcome must allow for other possibilities.

I totally understand the emotional angle of this. I said so in the original post. I've been a fan of City since I first knew what football was, and I'm the proud occupier of an 'M' postcode address. I'm very much a part of the community. But that doesn't mean that rational analysis should be disregarded.
 
Mike Cledford said:
BBC Breakfast reporting on the opposition from fans of the six clubs. Several comments from fans' groups. Nothing shown from City - probably the fans most strongly against it and giving a possible impression to viewers that City are not amongst the good guys.
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We’ve got no fan groups.
 
Mike Cledford said:
BBC Breakfast reporting on the opposition from fans of the six clubs. Several comments from fans' groups. Nothing shown from City - probably the fans most strongly against it and giving a possible impression to viewers that City are not amongst the good guys.
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Send them a link to this thread, we may have to lose half the posts though, not sure 'cunts' would be a word they'd use this time of the morning
 
We won't get kicked out of the Premier league, the other clubs would have to vote and if you think they would vote for a league without the 6 not a chance, they would earn a fraction of the money they get now, the dirty dozen have got this sewn up, imagine being a fan of an ambitious club, one team will make it into the super league the money they get will make sure that nobody else will be able to compete with that club so effectively all the super league places will be sewn up,
 
This is 30 years in the making and certainly shouldn't be a shock. It makes me reflect on what I've actually been following, as a sport, since the early 80s.

Because the cartels, the massive commercial contracts, corruption, greed and soulless branding is where we are already. This is the next level, true, and merely makes me reflect on how I've been spending my time.

2 non football fans have said to me this morning; " I don't understand what's so different". It made me think.
 
Now that you lot are awake it's now time for me to hit the hay, but I continue to be surprised by the "it's not that bad" posters who haven't yet seemed to grasp that this is a precursor to a 20-team, 38-match, all-closed (no open spots), weekend-playing, no-relegation, pan-European breakaway league which will inevitably take its act on the road regularly, not some fucking substitute for the CL.

It's meant to -- and eventually will -- mirror the big four sports leagues in US/Canada precisely. Maybe there will be "expansion" over time and more teams will be added, and an unbalanced schedule introduced, and coaches' challenges (which would improve VAR at least IMO) and cheerleaders and TV timeouts and all the other wonderful accoutrements that make US sport(s) so popular globally.
 
RegMuffin said:
The statement covers nothing about whether I'll be able to buy a pie and a pint at half time without queuing for 10 minutes.

But seriously, City quoting the Glazers on their own website, promoting this thunderfuck of damage to the club and football? I'm embarrassed tbh.
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Do you not feel like it was a cryptic message by City, basically naming the driving forces behind all this? Nah me either, more like deflection from the club, what am I talking about, this isn’t City, this isn’t the club, it’s the owners of a brand
 
Putting the (fucking terrible) decision to join aside, why on earth did this need announced now?

Couldn't they have bloody waited till the end of the season so I could have at least enjoyed the remaining games and chance at the CL in ignorance bliss. Could have had one last moment before it all goes to crap.

In some ways I'm now glad we lost the fa.cup semi. One less thing to be tainted by this.
 
Roberto Manciti said:
There is a huge amount of emotion surrounding discussion of all this. Entirely understandable too. But those running football don't think in terms of emotion. For them it is all about money. So looking at this from a purely financial perspective - as the characters involved in this upheaval will - how is this likely to play out?

Firstly, IMO, the breakaway clubs hold all the aces here. UEFA can ban these clubs all they like. But UEFA needs these elite clubs, and the elite clubs don't need them. Domestic leagues can impose bans and sanctions to make a point, but that would be suicidal. The PL stripped of the appeal of these six clubs is a crippled brand. If those six are excluded, just how much will broadcasters be prepared to pay for rights to cover the rest? How much sponsorship will be forthcoming? The simple reality is that the Premier League MUST reach an amicable settlement with the breakaway six. The alternative is a PL doomed to die by noble gesture.

Meanwhile, consider the options from the perspective of the breakaway clubs. If they're banned from domestic competitions the solution for them could hardly be more straightforward. Reformat the new competition to a full 38-game home-and-away season for the 20 clubs involved. Incorporate some element of cup football either in the form of a play-off format, or via a new dedicated cup competition. No shortage of lucrative fixtures to stream now.

And what if the players are banned from representing their national teams? Simple. The breakaway league sets up a new international tournament - they will have access to all the best players, after all. If UEFA and FIFA don't play along, it is they who will go the way of the dinosaurs, not the breakaway clubs.

Many of we fans who post on here view football in analog terms. We think of the beautiful game broadly as it has functioned for the last 100 years or more. But that financial model is extinct. Clubs can no longer survive based on matchday income. Football is consumed digitally now. Yes, I will attract ire for saying that - but it is the truth. The future for the elite football clubs revolves purely around digital income from global media rights. And from the merchandising and betting revenue streams arising from that. The kind of money brought in by those who attend matches on the day is close to irrelevant at this level. Many on here are saying they will no longer attend games because they don't approve of the new paradigm (fair enough). Others won't return because they've left this expensive weekend routine behind during the Covid reset. The reality is that these big clubs won't care about this. In a business model dominated by digital TV / streaming coverage, the role of the matchday crowd is to provide atmosphere and visual spectacle for the worldwide online audience. The clubs can afford to price the matchday seats to sell using dynamic algorithms like those used by no-frills airlines. And if those tickets are cheaper, perhaps afew younger (and more animated) fans will be able to afford the gig again ... win-win for the clubs.

Meanwhile, a huge new revenue stream arises for the clubs if they can sell football coverage via their own fan channels. Purists on Bluemoon may say NEVER, but a substantial new audience will be attracted to subscribe to a package which grants live access to ALL Manchester City matches for a full season (or whichever club they prefer). The clubs will make a killing from this. Sadly, how many fans of these six clubs sit through live TV coverage of matches such as Brighton v Burnley which their expensive Sky / BT package currently foists upon them in place of the match they really want to see?

When you pause to consider the strong position that the breakaway clubs are in from a financial perspective, it becomes obvious that for all their posturing it is UEFA and the domestic leagues which will need to give ground if any kind of accord is to be negotiated. Being banned from the UCL at the semi-final stage is galling, but UEFA can only impose this sanction once. And it will be an act of gross financial self-harm if they go through with it. And given that UEFA has behaved so objectionably for so many years, I struggle to raise one iota of sympathy for their predicament now. Their appointment of the odious Tebag to a position of influence just this week shows that this toxic coven is not minded to change its ways any time soon. UEFA is a horrible governing body. The new incarnation can only be 'just as bad' at the very worst.

My expectation is that urgent and constructive peace talks must ensue. This breakaway represents an existential threat to domestic leagues generally (if these clubs are excluded), and to UEFA in particular. In public they may rant about how harshly they can punish and ostracise the breakaway elite clubs. But in private they must do whatever it takes to keep these clubs securely in the fold. Failure to do so dooms THEM to irrelevance, not the elite clubs. That is the stark reality.

I'm aware that this line of thinking isn't something that purists of a certain age want to contemplate. But it is the financial reality in this new digital age, and it is the distribution of monetary rewards which will ultimately decide the outcome of this. UEFA must offer big concessions to appease the elite clubs. And the domestic leagues will have no choice other than to back down or become a meaningless sideshow compared with what they once were.

We live in interesting times. But upsetting as all this is, I still want the best possible outcome for Manchester City FC. It's CTID for me, whichever tournament they happen to be competing in. For as long as they play in Manchester and retain the name I've always supported, count me in.
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Just what we don't need. An exercise in grim reality.

I'm not sure I'd rush to defend UEFA, but they own the "European Champions League" brand, so maybe if tenth place in the Premier League gets you into the Champions League it would have some attraction for other clubs. Whether there would be enough TV income to sustain it is another matter.
 
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