No idea...its convenient though isn’t it, why didn’t city get 14 or 30 days, people earlier in the thread said we were put under immense pressure to sign up ‘last Friday’ (somewhere in the 800 odd pages).Would the PSG deadline be anything to do with the CL semi v us?
Forcing a decision before both legs are/supposed to be held?
Having slept on it, again, I am still very much against the ESL.
I'm not on board with slating the club's directors or carp about walking away from the club as I am sure they a trying to do what they think is best for the club, which is their legal duty. They are in a difficult position.
The whole thing is now a test of nerve.
Then you need to look at the likely outcome, not the weasel words. Think it through. Or failing that, read the thread where it’s been explained umpteen times.I ignored it because that isn’t what’s being proposed.
where do i sign up?I'm now beginning to think this will be like a mash up between Black Mirror and Hunger Games, a dystopian footballing fantasy, played in real stadiums, but with no fans. Just walls of video screens behind which are 1000s of sofa blimps, eagerly awaiting their interactive heroes to come to life. Games are charged in crypto currency and the half time entertainment is provided by Deliveroo and Pornhub.
It‘s as much about business stability than ‘greed’. A franchise model guarantees income streams. No more uncertainty over qualifying or not qualifying for CL. It’s also about control over the product and the clubs that generate the most cash, receiving that cash.
The aim is to shift from a competition with jeopardy to an entertainment model with only mild or manufactured jeopardy. Football as content on Netflix.
The other factor is these clubs are in financial trouble, Madrid made no signings and are looking to finally build a new stadium, Barca are a billion in debt, same with Spurs and no one is making money. There is a €350m sign on bonus just for turning up. UEFA aren’t promising any real new cash until 2024.
There will be a European Super League, the only debate is will it be under the umbrella of UEFA or outside it.
I've wondered similar myself although it was more desperation than optimism on my part. I've been struggling to contain my rage at this since it broke because my knee jerk reaction would not have been pretty....
I'm now even wondering if we're playing a long game in this, possibly working with Ceferin.
Maybe hopelessly optimistic but I wonder if we've fluttered our eyelashes at the breakaway group, understood their plans, suckered them in, then betrayed them by leaking the Super League plans and then we'll pull out, leaving them isolated, maybe even out of their national leagues and international outcasts. The PL needs 15 clubs to agree something as major as expulsion so 6 clubs in the ESL renders that path impossible. But if we were to withdraw, maybe Chelsea too, then a majority vote that sees the US-owned clubs outside the PL is obviously achievable. It would be stunning revenge.
But, as I say, maybe I'm just being hopelessly optimistic.
But then we could have done that without signing up. We could have got this to a point where we verbally committed but then walked away. That would have been a PR master stroke.
Can't believe nothing was leaked about it all.....surely it would of had to be announced to the stock markets before anything was announced?No idea...its convenient though isn’t it, why didn’t city get 14 or 30 days, people earlier in the thread said we were put under immense pressure to sign up ‘last Friday’ (somewhere in the 800 odd pages).
I get this but the new champions league reform means we play more matches just against shitter opposition that no one wants to watch ? They both stinkTo an extent, but if you were playing ‘elite’ opppsition every midweek, you would quickly find that you would have a squad for European matches and a squad for domestic matches, with the best players less willing to pit themselves in the latter. The clubs have even said it would lead to less football for top players, so fewer opportunities for fans in Manchester to see them.
Der spiegel is the furthest thing to a bayern mouth piece as possible. They helped get Hotness put in prison, they exposed Bayerns 2015 plans for a super league and now they're showing the 2 germans clubs were at least in the proposals until the last minute.Haha I wondered when the German rags mouthpiece would lift its head above the parapet.
It already is a closed shop, that’s my point.
That would be the dream, I think ourselves & Chelsea are probably using the threat of walking away (subtly) to agree parity in termsThere's multiple parts to UEFA. There's the Secretariat - Ceferin and the employees - the national leagues and the clubs. Within the latter two, there's the powerful national leagues and others and likewise for the clubs, with the old G14 lording it over the other European clubs. So a lot of vested interests vying against each other.
I don't envy anyone in Ceferin's position, who has to try to keep all those competing forces in balance. The big clubs bring him his revenue so tend to have the loudest voices but inevitably and eventually, appeasing them season after season will just lead to them demanding more. Then, as we're seeing now, they'll ditch you when they think it's in their interests to do so.
I've said it before that Ceferin is probably our friend, in as much as he wants to keep everyone happy as far as possible. I believe he tried to stop the FFP shit but (again) a breakaway was threatened by our enemies. Maybe the CAS case was actually the catalyst for this ESL. The timing certainly fits.
I'm now even wondering if we're playing a long game in this, possibly working with Ceferin.
Maybe hopelessly optimistic but I wonder if we've fluttered our eyelashes at the breakaway group, understood their plans, suckered them in, then betrayed them by leaking the Super League plans and then we'll pull out, leaving them isolated, maybe even out of their national leagues and international outcasts. The PL needs 15 clubs to agree something as major as expulsion so 6 clubs in the ESL renders that path impossible. But if we were to withdraw, maybe Chelsea too, then a majority vote that sees the US-owned clubs outside the PL is obviously achievable. It would be stunning revenge.
But, as I say, maybe I'm just being hopelessly optimistic.
But then we could have done that without signing up. We could have got this to a point where we verbally committed but then walked away. That would have been a PR master stroke.
They are going to form there own TV company and control the broadcasting rights themselves.I'm absolutely sure that's true. I am just wondering whether there's an opportunity perhaps to scupper it. I dunno, TV companies like everyone else are greedy and self-centred.
Except he isn't "fxcking up the league", he is acting like a good owner and doing all the right things. The things we praised our owners for rightly before they backed this closed shop, however reluctantly they may have been.It’s about football in general and Neville is happy living off the back of the rags and owning a football team himself fucking up the league pyramid but doesn’t like it when someone has the audacity to tell him to fuck off. Clearly going to have to agree to disagree here.
Uefa have probably been taking to the other 11 aswell. What have they offered them?
Watch your back city.
I know most won't love him but this was good, trying to put it across to the American public what's happening in Europe.
It‘s as much about business stability than ‘greed’. A franchise model guarantees income streams. No more uncertainty over qualifying or not qualifying for CL. It’s also about control over the product and the clubs that generate the most cash, receiving that cash.
The aim is to shift from a competition with jeopardy to an entertainment model with only mild or manufactured jeopardy. Football as content on Netflix.
The other factor is these clubs are in financial trouble, Madrid made no signings and are looking to finally build a new stadium, Barca are a billion in debt, same with Spurs and no one is making money. There is a €350m sign on bonus just for turning up. UEFA aren’t promising any real new cash until 2024.
There will be a European Super League, the only debate is will it be under the umbrella of UEFA or outside it.