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Would you be happy if City joined this European Super League?

  • Yes

    Votes: 109 5.3%

  • No

    Votes: 1,954 94.7%
  • Total voters
    2,063
Damocles said:
City planting a story with their favoured reporter in the world's most hated newspaper is nor a massive PR win.

In fact it makes us look even more grotesquely out of touch.
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Mate, literally two hours before it fell apart you were telling everyone that the decision had been made an no club would change their mind so I’ll take your insistence that the article was a) a plant and b) makes us look grotesquely out of touch with a pinch or two of salt.
 
jollylescott said:
Please hear me out.

I believe that most on here are doing our owners a grave disservice. Let’s examine the facts, and then draw some conclusions based on the available evidence.

A Super League has been mooted for quite some time. I can find proposals from June 2019 where it was mooted by European clubs. One of the drivers of the proposal at that time was Agnelli (who has now fallen from power) from Juventus. At that time, a Guardian article stated that he wanted to ‘close the financial gap between his club and the premier league clubs’.

So I think it’s safe to conclude that this new proposal built upon that initial shot across the bows.

The next critical piece of evidence is from Tolmie. He has more inside information than any of us on here. He has stated for quite sometime (well before these events) that Ceferin has been an ally of City. In March last year, Ceferin was interviewed on Sky and said City remained a ‘valuable asset‘ for UEFA. I trust Tolmie’s information on our relationship with him.

I also think it’s completely implausible that both Ceferin and our owners were caught off guard by this current proposal. As Tolmie said, our owners know more about politics (particularly of the Machiavellian kind) than any of us will ever know. They would have known well in advance that this was coming.

So who was going to benefit most from this proposal? Certainly our premier league rivals, most of whom are economic basket cases. Also the Spanish/Italian axis. It would have, in one fell swoop, saved them from ongoing financial misery. So was it in our interests for this to go ahead, thereby allowing these hopelessly run businesses to catch up with us? My conclusion would be a resounding no.

Let’s then look carefully at what transpired. City leaked information that they were reluctantly dragged into the agreement. Ceferin is interviewed and urges the Premier League clubs to change their minds. Then there are leaks that two English clubs are waivering. Then City responds to the fans concerns and withdraws from the proposal, and Ceferin issues a statement that he is ‘delighted’ and welcomes City ‘back into the European football family’.

Now look at the fallout. Woodward and Agnelli have gone. The American owners are completely disillusioned. Our European enemies are left clinging at a mirage. We remain on course to continue the development of our long term sustainable business model. The super league is dead in the water. Our enemies in the Premier League will continue to hate us, and remain financial basket cases.

If this was Survivor, we have outwitted, outplayed, and outlasted our European and Premier League enemies.
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This is spot on Jolly!
Lets not forget what Ceferin has said about said owners, calling them out and calling them what they are...snakes!
It's going to be an interesting end to the week.
More to follow...
 
The great things that the powers that be at the club have done have been fantastic, they always had my respect.
But are people really expecting us fans to believe that these same great business people were pressganged and then full of panic they agreed to join this Super League at the last minute?
Nah, i aint buying that.
We knew what we were doing but i don't think they realised just how much us fans would be against it or they didn't care
 
jollylescott said:
Please hear me out.

I believe that most on here are doing our owners a grave disservice. Let’s examine the facts, and then draw some conclusions based on the available evidence.

A Super League has been mooted for quite some time. I can find proposals from June 2019 where it was mooted by European clubs. One of the drivers of the proposal at that time was Agnelli (who has now fallen from power) from Juventus. At that time, a Guardian article stated that he wanted to ‘close the financial gap between his club and the premier league clubs’.

So I think it’s safe to conclude that this new proposal built upon that initial shot across the bows.

The next critical piece of evidence is from Tolmie. He has more inside information than any of us on here. He has stated for quite sometime (well before these events) that Ceferin has been an ally of City. In March last year, Ceferin was interviewed on Sky and said City remained a ‘valuable asset‘ for UEFA. I trust Tolmie’s information on our relationship with him.

I also think it’s completely implausible that both Ceferin and our owners were caught off guard by this current proposal. As Tolmie said, our owners know more about politics (particularly of the Machiavellian kind) than any of us will ever know. They would have known well in advance that this was coming.

So who was going to benefit most from this proposal? Certainly our premier league rivals, most of whom are economic basket cases. Also the Spanish/Italian axis. It would have, in one fell swoop, saved them from ongoing financial misery. So was it in our interests for this to go ahead, thereby allowing these hopelessly run businesses to catch up with us? My conclusion would be a resounding no.

Let’s then look carefully at what transpired. City leaked information that they were reluctantly dragged into the agreement. Ceferin is interviewed and urges the Premier League clubs to change their minds. Then there are leaks that two English clubs are waivering. Then City responds to the fans concerns and withdraws from the proposal, and Ceferin issues a statement that he is ‘delighted’ and welcomes City ‘back into the European football family’.

Now look at the fallout. Woodward and Agnelli have gone. The American owners are completely disillusioned. Our European enemies are left clinging at a mirage. We remain on course to continue the development of our long term sustainable business model. The super league is dead in the water. Our enemies in the Premier League will continue to hate us, and remain financial basket cases.

If this was Survivor, we have outwitted, outplayed, and outlasted our European and Premier League enemies.
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there are certainly machinations we may never be privvy to, or at least for a while, but one thing;

why sign up at all on the Sunday night? why not hang on the fence for another 24 hours to assess the outrage? if such a masterstroke, wouldn't the masterstoke to be written in as a 4th potential partner with PSG, Bayern and Dortmund and basically cop no flack and still make the ringleaders look like scum?

i still think we committed and if a couple more had too, we'd have happily gone along with it.
 
GAZZA said:
They went wrong (right for us) by not getting the media on side before they started, and if they had added to that a Facebook and Twitter campaign they would have had a far better chance of success.
A very poorly thought out and very poorly instigated plan - unless it's just a warning shot to EUFA to let them know it could happen with better planning.
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Arrogance and their sense of entitlement - got the better of them.
 
Tb1981 said:
And fair play to them for that
I hate them and united but at least we (the fans) all stood together to tell these parasites to get to fuck
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Football fans are on the whole decent people, they have principles, this was not a club issue, this was a disgracefully attack on football.

The rivalry is irrelevant, until we play them .....
 
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