It's Quiet Thread 15 - Txiki Blinders

[dave_blue12]

...Yes, how terrible it's been, winning the league, league cup and being in the CL semi-final.

In that case we should stand still and not look to improve the squad.

Your post is infantile.

 

[Gumzy97]

Plus he's had to contend with having covid which had quite a dramatic effect on his physical strength and pace according to reports.

It has, he is not the same player I watched when he played for Valencia, looks to have lost a bit of pace and his strength is below par compared to the way he was able to shrug players and sprint past them in his Valencia days.

 

[mrbelfry]

6 months ago i wouldn't have been bothered if Mahrez left but now whenever he's not playing I'm calling for him to come on.

Out of the forward players he is still the one I'd sacrifice but that is not because of his quality - i have a soft spot for Raz because he's Raz. Jesus adds a fair bit and I'm still hoping he has a killer season or two in him.

Head over heart decisions need to be made by the top guys - we can't keep everyone for 10 years.

Using Foden as a guage for Palmer, McAtee, Lavia, Doyle etc is probably going to do an injustice to those players. Their development is probably going to be slower.

Not so much to do with ability but Foden has something they don't have. In the best possible way Foden has zero respect for reputation and status of players in his own team and the opposition. He just loves to play and you get the impression he'd be the same in the park as he would a Champions League final. This is why he's able to show his skills not just in training but on the pitch as well

 

[blue oli]

Plus he's had to contend with having covid which had quite a dramatic effect on his physical strength and pace according to reports.

Torres is bigger for city than anyone is seeing right now, first two names on the team sheet in a couple of years will be foden and Torres

 

[domalino]

In that case we should stand still and not look to improve the squad.

Your post is infantile.

And yours is entitled beyond belief. Have you forgotten who scored the big goals in the CL group stage when we needed them? Have your forgotten who the club's top scorer is over the last 3 years?

We will strengthen the squad, but we won't be casting out players who've been integral to our success.

 

[Tricky_Trev]

In the real world you don't bin a player because they had a poor season.

Sterling will be back, and I'm sure the club are expecting a big kick on from Torres because they've seen it so many times before and he's one of the biggest prospects in world football.

I often think if we'd paid the £75m Valencia were demanding before he ran his contract down and Valencia almost went bust, people would be a lot more positive about Torres.

Torres has to have a much improved season next year or he’s gone, imo. His price and his salary makes him such an easy sale and easy accounting profit. At the end of next season he’ll be worth about £12m on the books, so for the sake of his City career I think he needs to do a lot better. We’d also have Palmer and Kayky knocking on the door. Not sure Torres will get the run he needs though. He won’t get those minutes as a striker if we have Haaland and Jesus next season, and they have been his only positive. Unless there is a plan to use Jesus from the left but I don’t see it with Foden and Sterling playing there.

 

[Gumzy97]

My opinion has changed over the last month. Foden's emergence as a best XI front 3 player makes me feel like Grealish is a non starter now. Foden, Mahrez, Sterling, and Torres is the right balance of age/experience/quality in those positions. For my money you can't add Grealish without losing one of Raz or Mahrez and I don't see that happening.

Grealish is a utility player mind, can play across the front 3 also can drop into midfield to, he's one of the best creators in the prem this season,he also continues to get better.

Madrid are sniffing about for a new winger and Sterling was on their list before could see them coming back in for him.

 

[Gumzy97]

Torres is bigger for city than anyone is seeing right now, first two names on the team sheet in a couple of years will be foden and Torres

Torres is considered Spains gem with fati. They expect big things for him

 

[moh]

Do we really want him does Pep want him because the rags say there after him to like they after Haaland..

Seems the rags transfer plan last half dozen years is go for anyone Man City go for! Must save them a fortune in scouts..

It’s cost them a fortune in donkeys

 

[OB1]

100% agree on Torres. Really (not) surprised by the levels of criticism he's received and the number of people who think he'll never be good enough.

LOL, too many people haven't got a clue.

 

[FantasyIreland]

...Yes, how terrible it's been, winning the league, league cup and being in the CL semi-final.

We have done amazing as a squad but when we had to rely on Sterling,Jesus and Torres in the FA Cup,it didn't quite work out.

Grealish is different level to Sterling,Jesus and Mahzez,irrespective of what form they are in,and Torres,while having great potential,is still something of an unknown quantity.

Grealish isn't just another midfielder added to the ranks,far from it.

Buying him,and 2 or 3 others,will elevate us even further.

January would be very,very,quiet!

 

[dave_blue12]

And yours is entitled beyond belief. Have you forgotten who scored the big goals in the CL group stage when we needed them? Have your forgotten who the club's top scorer is over the last 3 years?

We will strengthen the squad, but we won't be casting out players who've been integral to our success.

I didn't mention casting out players ffs.

And we will and do cast out players who have been integral to our success. Sergio and Fern are two that spring to mind.

The club have to make tough decisions on players. At the level City are at few will be afforded the luxury of retiring from us.

Do I want to see Riyad and Raz leave ? No I don't. But they both have 2 years left and the club will be making a call. Torres will undoubtedly be given time to prove his worth.

When discussing transfers in/out try thinking like a business not like a fan. My original post on this subject questioned the strength of the 4 options posted by another poster meaning he didn't think we'd be interested in Grealish, I merely pointed out that 2 of those 4 options had poor seasons and we may therefore be interested. We may not ultimately pursue the issue but our management would be derelict not to consider if Grealish is indeed available for a reasonable fee.

 

[dave_blue12]

LOL, too many people haven't got a clue.

Lol, too many people don't read what is written.

 

[Tricky_Trev]

100% agree on Torres. Really (not) surprised by the levels of criticism he's received and the number of people who think he'll never be good enough.

I don’t doubt his potential, I doubt his chances of getting a run in the team to unlock the potential. Sterling, Foden, Mahrez, Jesus, Bernardo, maybe Haaland and/or Grealish. He is going to have to take his very first chances of next season otherwise I see it going similar to this one where he seems a little untrusted and doesn’t get put on the same regular rotation as the others. If that happens, then in the summer after next season, we perhaps have 1 spot in the squad for Torres, Palmer and Kayky to fight over. I think there is therefore doubt over the opportunity that Ferran will get. I hope he smashes pre-season and takes his early chances in the team, but I don’t see him as being on some unstoppable path to City greatness. I still feel he has to get a little lucky. Perhaps an injury or two in those forward positions. Otherwise he isn’t getting a run, imo.

 

[FantasyIreland]

Lol, too many people don't read what is written.

Or insert their own take to suit their argument.

 

[BillyShears]

I don’t doubt his potential, I doubt his chances of getting a run in the team to unlock the potential. Sterling, Foden, Mahrez, Jesus, Bernardo, maybe Haaland and/or Grealish. He is going to have to take his very first chances of next season otherwise I see it going similar to this one where he seems a little untrusted and doesn’t get put on the same regular rotation as the others. If that happens, then in the summer after next season, we perhaps have 1 spot in the squad for Torres, Palmer and Kayky to fight over. I think there is therefore doubt over the opportunity that Ferran will get. I hope he takes it, but I do t see him as being on some unstoppable path to City greatness. I still feel he has to get a little lucky. Perhaps an injury or two in those forward positions. Otherwise he isn’t getting a run, imo.

Imo Grealish isn’t coming. You’re dreaming talking about kids from the academy. Kayky and Palmer won’t get a sniff next season.

 

[FantasyIreland]

I don’t doubt his potential, I doubt his chances of getting a run in the team to unlock the potential. Sterling, Foden, Mahrez, Jesus, Bernardo, maybe Haaland and/or Grealish. He is going to have to take his very first chances of next season otherwise I see it going similar to this one where he seems a little untrusted and doesn’t get put on the same regular rotation as the others. If that happens, then in the summer after next season, we perhaps have 1 spot in the squad for Torres, Palmer and Kayky to fight over. I think there is therefore doubt over the opportunity that Ferran will get. I hope he takes it, but I do t see him as being on some unstoppable path to City greatness. I still feel he has to get a little lucky. Perhaps an injury or two in those forward positions. Otherwise he isn’t getting a run, imo.

100%

Unless his form goes galactic,which it may possibly do given the glimpses of his ability,then he isn't getting much game time here.

 

[Deleted member 87819]

Imo Grealish isn’t coming.

Have you changed your mind?

 

[Tricky_Trev]

Imo Grealish isn’t coming. You’re dreaming talking about kids from the academy. Kayky and Palmer won’t get a sniff next season.

I know. That’s why I was clearly talking about the season after!?

 

[FantasyIreland]

I didn't mention casting out players ffs.

And we will and do cast out players who have been integral to our success. Sergio and Fern are two that spring to mind.

The club have to make tough decisions on players. At the level City are at few will be afforded the luxury of retiring from us.

Do I want to see Riyad and Raz leave ? No I don't. But they both have 2 years left and the club will be making a call. Torres will undoubtedly be given time to prove his worth.

When discussing transfers in/out try thinking like a business not like a fan. My original post on this subject questioned the strength of the 4 options posted by another poster meaning he didn't think we'd be interested in Grealish, I merely pointed out that 2 of those 4 options had poor seasons and we may therefore be interested. We may not ultimately pursue the issue but our management would be derelict not to consider if Grealish is indeed available for a reasonable fee.

Great post.