Coronavirus (2021) thread

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Life has to go on at some point. We need to know who amongst the recent hospitalisations and deaths were vaccinated and who weren't. If the vaccinated are at minimal risk then we open up. The unvaccinated have a choice. They can isolate or take a chance, or have the vaccination.
I’ve been massively cautious throughout this pandemic. But for me, if people are choosing to not have the vaccine and they’re getting ill or dying, then more fool them.

If it’s proven (and it’s looking likely) that the vaccine is working against variants, then we open up.

Doesn’t have to be exactly on the 21st June for me though. If they feel they need a few more days or a week or two extra to just get extra vaccinations in, then 28th June or 5th/12th July will do for me.

I don’t even have my first jab until next Friday and don’t have my second until August. But definitely, let’s get to normal soon.
 
No it’s not big at all, 100 cases from how many people? Certainly not big enough to have restrictions on us. If by June 21st it’s 10 times that with people in hospital and dying, that’s a different story as it will mean the vaccines haven’t worked. Otherwise we crack on.
A 100 cases of mostly younger people must be a handful of hospitalisations; the idea that you'd close down the whole of Manchester, let alone the rest of the country with a few or no cases and the most at-risk already vaccinated, just doesn't wash.

Anyone on here from BL4 (Farnworth and Kearsley mainly) got any perspective on their cases. Honest question.
 
Looking closer into the testing in Bolton

At the height of the first wave last April 442 people tested positive in the week. Tests them were rarer than now. And 50 - 55% of those tests were positive. Low numbers as only used in cases after it was fairly obvious they had it anyway.

Even as cases fell testing ramped up into June around 2000 tests a week were being done but only about 3% positive.

By late August they were doing 5000 tests a week and positivity was under 2%,

Suddenly in August around bank holiday cases took off and GM was into long lockdown with Bolton a focus. In early September they were still doing only around 6000 tests a week but Bolton cases were rising 5%, 6% etc almost daily.

By mid October Bolton was still only doing around 8000 tests a week but the positive percentage was now up to 18% and still rising.

It plateaued at about 20% on 5 November with still around 8000 tests a week.

Christmas as the Kent variant was running rampant down south but GM still in lockdown Bolton was around 7000 tests a week and now just 7/8%.

It rose a bit into the New Year as tests rose to around 9000 a week and positivity peaked at about 13% mid January.

Into February tests stayed around7500/8000 a week and positivity fell steadily to 6% by start of March.

In March tests were in the 6000s to early 7000s and positivity kept falling to under 4%

It bottomed out on 22 April when there were 6461 weekly tests and just 1.8 % positivity.

Everything that has gone wrong has come in the 4 weeks since.

Here is a week by week:

29 April 6614 / 2,8%

5 May 6631 / 5.1%

12 May 10, 969 / 7.6%

Days since:- 11, 617 7.3%, 12, 345 7.3% , 12, 980 7.4%

Data only goes up to 15 May.



So case numbers are up on last April but far more tests are being done now with a lower positivity number from them. Just citing the case numbers exaggerates this.
 
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Another excellent, balanced analysis from JBM.


JBM needs an award.

The doubling time on the left is about 10 days (those are log plots, so the rise is far faster than appears to the eye) hence the major concern.

But on the right, what happened? What's the difference?

Everything very uncertain.
 
The US situation is really interesting and I don't know what to make of it. I mean individual state responses make things harder to keep track of and to analyse, but it's clear that as a country they have come under incredible flack for some centralised decisions and some decisions of the states. While many have been under some form of lockdown, some have gone about their business throughout. Their deaths per million remain slightly below that of the UK. But you wonder how many died needlessly .

What the US makes me wonder, is that do lockdowns actually do anything? I mean on the surface they must, without packed pubs and stadiums surely less human interaction is less transmission, but we still ended up where we did didn't we? Here comes the massive hand wavey theory; an average person gives covid to about 3 people. In reality this varies a lot, many people are thought not to transmit to anyone at all, and covid is thought to have a low k number, which means less people transmit a bit more which leads to cluster explosions, which we're seeing. So I suppose that under lockdown rules people will still see a very few people, either within our without the rules and the damage is done; just because you could see many more under no restrictions doesn't mean you pass it to more.

I have a hankering feeling that covid explodes in pockets and naturally burns out, that burnout led more by climate and now, crucially, rate of vaccination. Just an opinion.
 
follow the data
That’s where the comment is shallow. There is no no control to reduce flu cases and we still only average 11000 deaths a year. Flu is left to do ita worse and that's the worst it manages. To compare a heavily regulated Covid outbreak is wishful thinking. So to flippantly suggest we consider lockdown because of the number of flu cases is a stupid comparison. We are no longer in lockdown and Covid cases would probably have to jump significantly and possibly above flu before lockdown was reintroduced.
 


Quite frustrating reading headlines like this. They accomplish fuck all and only invite cynicism. Just look at the replies - everyone thinks its being made up when it's quite likely true as viruses mutating is a very normal thing. Vast majority of us are just not used to how variants work as we're not scientists so of course we react to this and go 'really? again?'. Chances are it's not anything that will affect any of us more than the other ones, but it'll be reported on, people will get tired of it all and before you know it we've got a boy who cried wolf scenario. If an actual game changing variant comes around (fingers crossed it doesn't) then no one will actually pay attention due to the persistent and totally unnecessary dumb reporting of how this is unfolding by the media. Tiring.
 
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HOSPITAL DATA



Summary:

UK patients and ventilators are starting to gradually tick up again as Scotland and Wales rose a bit today to counteract the tiny fall of just 8 in England. over 900 in hospital with Covid. England just under 750.

NW patients edging up week to week and both patients and ventilators are up over the 7 days for first time in months. This is certainly not what we need to be seeing.

Not a disaster yet, But starting to look a little concerning. But only if it accelerates and translates into serious illness, steadily rising ventilator numbers and deaths.

Not there yet. But signs not promising.


UK total:




Patients stay at 910 - it was 39, 248 at the peak on 18 Jan - (fall of 38, 338 in 122 days) :- lowest since 14 September

Ventilators UP 3 to 125 it was 4077 at the peak on 24 Jan - (fall of 3952 in 116 days) : lowest since 17 September


England only:-


ADMISSIONS
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90 Covid admissions following 74, 59, 70, 73, 74, 93, 79 in the week before.

As you see daily Covid admission numbers in England under 100 consistently. BUT this is the first week to week rise in numbers in a while. Small but concerning.




PATIENTS:-

Patients down by 8 to 749 v 845 last week
:- lowest since 13 September

Peak was 34, 336 on 18 Jan (fall 33, 587 in 122 days)

Ventilators: UP 2 to 115 v 119 last week
:- lowest since 17 September

Peak was 3736 on 24 Jan (fall 3621 in 116 days)



Regions:


Patient // Ventilators // change in past day to today and v last week



East UP 1 to 44 v 63 // Stays at 3 v 4

London UP 7 to 248 v 266 // UP 1 to 49 v 55

Midlands down 6 to 137 v 157 // Stays at 15 v 21

NE & Yorks down 8 to 104 v 132 // Up 1 to 20 v 17

North West UP 4 to 155 v 152// UP 1 to 20 v 14

South East down 9 to 46 v 58 // Stays at 6 v 6

South West UP 3 to 15 v 17 // down 1 to 2 v 2
 
That’s where the comment is shallow. There is no no control to reduce flu cases and we still only average 11000 deaths a year. Flu is left to do ita worse and that's the worst it manages. To compare a heavily regulated Covid outbreak is wishful thinking. So to flippantly suggest we consider lockdown because of the number of flu cases is a stupid comparison. We are no longer in lockdown and Covid cases would probably have to jump significantly and possibly above flu before lockdown was reintroduced.
There would also surely have to be a cost/benefit analysis about whether lockdowns are actually beneficial or not before they are ever reintroduced?
 


Quite frustrating reading headlines like this. They accomplish fuck all and only invite cynicism. Just look at the replies - everyone thinks its being made up when it's quite likely true as viruses mutating is a very normal thing. Vast majority of us are just not used to how variants work as we're not scientists so of course we react to this and go 'really? again?'. Chances are it's not anything that will affect any of us more than the other ones, but it'll be reported on, people will get tired of it all and before you know it we've got a boy who cried wolf scenario. If an actual game changing variant comes around (fingers crossed it doesn't) then no one will actually pay attention due to the persistent and totally unnecessary dumb reporting of how this is unfolding by the media. Tiring.

They’re loving it.
The mail one day:
Mutant variant threatens release from lockdown, pressure on Boris to delay release
Next day:
Boris delays the release of our freedoms again
 
Even more than the racism, the lies and the propaganda, the worst thing about the Mail is their consistent grammatically incorrect use of capital letters in headlines.
 
That’s where the comment is shallow. There is no no control to reduce flu cases and we still only average 11000 deaths a year. Flu is left to do ita worse and that's the worst it manages. To compare a heavily regulated Covid outbreak is wishful thinking. So to flippantly suggest we consider lockdown because of the number of flu cases is a stupid comparison. We are no longer in lockdown and Covid cases would probably have to jump significantly and possibly above flu before lockdown was reintroduced.

that’s where you are struggling to understand posts.

I am not for one minute suggesting we have a a lockdown for flu .

I am making the point that we have done such a great job controlling Covid (finally) with lockdowns and vaccinations that deaths are nearly half of flu.

therefore highlighting the stupidity of continuing lockdowns for Covid when deaths are half that of flu .

we would not even consider a lockdown for flu deaths so why then are some arguing we delay the release of Covid restrictions when the deaths are half of flu Deaths as a comparator And over half the adult population vaccinated and greater confidence that the vaccines work against the current variants .

get it.
 
that’s where you are struggling to understand posts.

I am not for one minute suggesting we have a a lockdown for flu .

I am making the point that we have done such a great job controlling Covid (finally) with lockdowns and vaccinations that deaths are nearly half of flu.

therefore highlighting the stupidity of continuing lockdowns for Covid when deaths are half that of flu .

we would not even consider a lockdown for flu deaths so why then are some arguing we delay the release of Covid restrictions when the deaths are half of flu Deaths as a comparator And over half the adult population vaccinated and greater confidence that the vaccines work against the current variants .

get it.
Flogging a dead horse mate. Many covid enthusiasts on here. Too many enjoy being told what to do and being ordered about so see freedom as not a great thing
 
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