Jack Grealish

[Jokithedruid]

Sheer speculation on my part, but if he was coming in, would that mean Raz is on his way out? I love the guy and he's been fantastic for us, but he's never been the most composed on the ball and for that reason probably doesn't fit as well in this team as he has in the past.

The only one rumored out is Jesus, that rumor was about Tottenham seeing him as a replacement for Kane.

 

[BillyShears]

It's shiny new toy syndrome.
No doubt he's a talented player but how high he's rated by some here is certainly baffling.
His best attribute is being able to dribble and carry the ball well, an attribute perfect for a counter-attacking side that exploits teams who commit. That and good passing ability, those are his standout qualities.

You then look at the current city team and you'll see those are qualities the likes of bernardo, mahrez, foden and even de-bruyne posses and i'd argue all are better than him at. Only difference is playing for this city side they don't get to showcase it much as positional discipline and systemic/patterns of play are more of a priority for a side that plays against sides packed in their area 99% of the time.

So he's not coming to help the team create any more chances than it already does with the players it has and the way it plays. You're then left with goals and it's almost laughable when his is compared to some of the even much maligned players here. His best goal-scoring season to date is 10 goals and unless some believe he has this unlocked potential to chip in with 15-20 goals a season as a winger it definitely hasn't been shown yet.

But somehow a player who's best with the ball at his feet but doesn't score much is suddenly going to improve a team with a bunch of players with similar attributes but also chip in with more goals. Honestly the only thing he could offer the team currently that it doesn't have is the ability to win cheap free-kicks, but even that may go down if he were to sign.

A top class striker should be and I'm sure is the main priority this summer, anything else like a grealish will just be a bonus to offer more depth and options to the squad but he certainly won't be this game-changing player to the side many think he will

That's a good post.

The big thing is Grealish's numbers are absolutely pony. Dogshit. For a guy who would cost, with a release clause, 75 million, and who has played Championship football inside that period, it's not the kind of deal that that I see as obviously improving us. As Guardiola has said, we've got loads of players who can score 10-15 a season. We've got loads of playmakers. We've got technical footballers in every part of the pitch. For Jack to even get into the best XI he's first got to move guys who have got insane numbers in them and have been delivering them for years.

Maybe I'm totally wrong and Pep is totally besotted with him - but for me he only comes if we have a surprise outgoing in the forward line or midfield.

 

[MaskedAguero10]

Hmm for what it's worth I think yesterday could be a glimpse of how Grealish could fit in. I think Pep might believe now Foden can play in midfield how he requires it and that leaves a space on the LW for Grealish to rotate with sterling. So it'd be something like this assuming we also get Kane.

Grealish/Sterling. Kane/Gabby. Mahrez/Torres


Gundo/Foden. KDB/Bernardo

Rodri/Fernandinho

I think that could be a really good midfield/attack with plenty of rotation.

 

[ADegenerate]

He has a release clause,allegedly.

And yes,you are right,the perfect player for us and one of few who could force his way into the starting 11.

Thought release clauses were illegal in the UK or is this new?

 

[Taylor]

It's shiny new toy syndrome.
No doubt he's a talented player but how high he's rated by some here is certainly baffling.
His best attribute is being able to dribble and carry the ball well, an attribute perfect for a counter-attacking side that exploits teams who commit. That and good passing ability, those are his standout qualities.

You then look at the current city team and you'll see those are qualities the likes of bernardo, mahrez, foden and even de-bruyne posses and i'd argue all are better than him at. Only difference is playing for this city side they don't get to showcase it much as positional discipline and systemic/patterns of play are more of a priority for a side that plays against sides packed in their area 99% of the time.

So he's not coming to help the team create any more chances than it already does with the players it has and the way it plays. You're then left with goals and it's almost laughable when his is compared to some of the even much maligned players here. His best goal-scoring season to date is 10 goals and unless some believe he has this unlocked potential to chip in with 15-20 goals a season as a winger it definitely hasn't been shown yet.

But somehow a player who's best with the ball at his feet but doesn't score much is suddenly going to improve a team with a bunch of players with similar attributes but also chip in with more goals. Honestly the only thing he could offer the team currently that it doesn't have is the ability to win cheap free-kicks, but even that may go down if he were to sign.

A top class striker should be and I'm sure is the main priority this summer, anything else like a grealish will just be a bonus to offer more depth and options to the squad but he certainly won't be this game-changing player to the side many think he will

I get what you are saying but 10+ goals for a midfielder is exactly what we should be looking for.

Take Gundogan for example:

Scored 13 league goals in 28 games arguably his best return.

His previous best before then 6 goals in 31 league games in 18/19.

Gundogan is 30 years old now, KDB similar. If we can add Grealish who's obviously younger and is second in the creativity department behind KDB then it's hardly a bad acquisition is it.

Granted he won't be everyone's cup of tea but the way the league works we are required to have home grown players. He falls into this category and would be playing with better players.

 

[David Silva]

That's a good post.

The big thing is Grealish's numbers are absolutely pony. Dogshit. For a guy who would cost, with a release clause, 75 million, and who has played Championship football inside that period, it's not the kind of deal that that I see as obviously improving us. As Guardiola has said, we've got loads of players who can score 10-15 a season. We've got loads of playmakers. We've got technical footballers in every part of the pitch. For Jack to even get into the best XI he's first got to move guys who have got insane numbers in them and have been delivering them for years.

Maybe I'm totally wrong and Pep is totally besotted with him - but for me he only comes if we have a surprise outgoing in the forward line or midfield.

Riyad Mahrez’s numbers are also “absolute pony” up to age 25 which was Leicester’s title winning year, also including a year spent in the Championship.

Think it is pretty harsh to say Grealish numbers this year are dog shit anyway. Ranked 3rd for chances created and 4th for assists having barely kicked a ball since feb, for a fairly limited side.

 

[domalino]

That's a good post.

The big thing is Grealish's numbers are absolutely pony. Dogshit. For a guy who would cost, with a release clause, 75 million, and who has played Championship football inside that period, it's not the kind of deal that that I see as obviously improving us. As Guardiola has said, we've got loads of players who can score 10-15 a season. We've got loads of playmakers. We've got technical footballers in every part of the pitch. For Jack to even get into the best XI he's first got to move guys who have got insane numbers in them and have been delivering them for years.

Maybe I'm totally wrong and Pep is totally besotted with him - but for me he only comes if we have a surprise outgoing in the forward line or midfield.

I said this 50 pages ago but I dont see what he offers that the squad doesn't already have in Bernardo, Mahrez, Sterling.

Everyone assumes he is going to take that spot in the side, but he doesn't put up the end product of Sterling, he doesn't have the workrate and selflessness of Bernardo and as technically gifted as he is...he's not better than Mahrez.

The only way I see Grealish in this side is as an 8 woth Gundogan moving to 6 and Fernandinho leaving.

 

[BillyShears]

Riyad Mahrez’s numbers are also “absolute pony” up to age 25 which was Leicester’s title winning year, also including a year spent in the Championship.

Think it is pretty harsh to say Grealish numbers this year are dog shit anyway. Ranked 3rd for chances created and 4th for assists having barely kicked a ball since feb, for a fairly limited side.

Grealish's number are shit. Telling me that Mahrez's numbers were shit until they weren't is funny, but doesn't change the fact that Grealish's are still shit.

Contextually speaking, go look at KDB's when we signed him from Wolfsburg. That's the levels you have to show IMO to get into this City team.

 

[Coatigan]

The only one rumored out is Jesus, that rumor was about Tottenham seeing him as a replacement for Kane.

That isn't a rumour though. That is just Bluemoon speculation, and unrealistic at that.

 

[Gabriel]

It's shiny new toy syndrome.
No doubt he's a talented player but how high he's rated by some here is certainly baffling.
His best attribute is being able to dribble and carry the ball well, an attribute perfect for a counter-attacking side that exploits teams who commit. That and good passing ability, those are his standout qualities.

You then look at the current city team and you'll see those are qualities the likes of bernardo, mahrez, foden and even de-bruyne posses and i'd argue all are better than him at. Only difference is playing for this city side they don't get to showcase it much as positional discipline and systemic/patterns of play are more of a priority for a side that plays against sides packed in their area 99% of the time.

So he's not coming to help the team create any more chances than it already does with the players it has and the way it plays. You're then left with goals and it's almost laughable when his is compared to some of the even much maligned players here. His best goal-scoring season to date is 10 goals and unless some believe he has this unlocked potential to chip in with 15-20 goals a season as a winger it definitely hasn't been shown yet.

But somehow a player who's best with the ball at his feet but doesn't score much is suddenly going to improve a team with a bunch of players with similar attributes but also chip in with more goals. Honestly the only thing he could offer the team currently that it doesn't have is the ability to win cheap free-kicks, but even that may go down if he were to sign.

A top class striker should be and I'm sure is the main priority this summer, anything else like a grealish will just be a bonus to offer more depth and options to the squad but he certainly won't be this game-changing player to the side many think he will

As I’ve pointed out before in this regard, you could have applied the same logic and arguments to our signing of Mahrez in 2018. I’ll eat what’s put on my plate, so it doesn’t bother me who we sign, but when we look at our past signing behaviour, Grealish fits the pattern more than a 100 million plus striker.

 

[mosssideblue]

Grealish's number are shit. Telling me that Mahrez's numbers were shit until they weren't is funny, but doesn't change the fact that Grealish's are still shit.

Contextually speaking, go look at KDB's when we signed him from Wolfsburg. That's the levels you have to show IMO to get into this City team.

Then what's your problem, clearly the club will see this too and wont touch him with a bargepole.
Or maybe your assessment of him is totally miles off the mark

 

[ADegenerate]

Absolutely baffled why there’s so much Grealish to City vibes around here (outside of his clear love for shouting out city players).

There’s no need to sell, there’s no need to buy, and the fee would be silly.

Let him develop there for another couple years anyway.

 

[Taylor]

Then what's your problem, clearly the club will see this too and wont touch him with a bargepole.
Or maybe your assessment of him is totally miles off the mark

Numbers can be manipulated... Scouting will work on more than just goals, fact is you look at a players influence. Distance ran. Tackles, interceptions, sprints per game etc.

If we look at goals alone then kdb had a dogshit season this year, but in reality he didn't as his role in the side means he makes goal scoring contributions in the form of assists or the pass before an assist.

 

[Delphinho]

Grealish's number are shit. Telling me that Mahrez's numbers were shit until they weren't is funny, but doesn't change the fact that Grealish's are still shit.

Contextually speaking, go look at KDB's when we signed him from Wolfsburg. That's the levels you have to show IMO to get into this City team.

His numbers aren`t shit. 18 G&A in the PL this season for 11th placed Villa, and he also missed 12 games due to injury. For City only De Bruyne and Raz (both on 18) managed to reach those numbers

 

[Taylor]

Absolutely baffled why there’s so much Grealish to City vibes around here (outside of his clear love for shouting out city players).

There’s no need to sell, there’s no need to buy, and the fee would be silly.

Let him develop there for another couple years anyway.

He's 25 now so from a development point of view he's reaching his peak. So you either buy now or let the boat sail tbh.

 

[ADegenerate]

His numbers aren`t shit. 18 G&A in the PL this season for 11th placed Villa, and he also missed 12 games due to injury. For City only De Bruyne and Raz (both on 18) managed to reach those numbers

Exactly! They’ll want ~~ 100m for him!!!!! Dead deal, never existed from where im sat.

 

[BillyShears]

His numbers aren`t shit. 18 G&A in the PL this season for 11th placed Villa, and he also missed 12 games due to injury. For City only De Bruyne and Raz (both on 18) managed to reach those numbers

They're shit mate. Absolutely nothing special about them. 6 league goals and 10 league assists as their main man playing every minute when he's fit. A player that we would have to break our current club transfer record for. I just do not see why there's such a clamour to elevate him to world class levels and I absolutely don't see how he's anything other than 3rd/4th choice at City as a wide forward or as a number 8.

Of course these are just my opinions - maybe Grealish is the next KDB. But I've not seen anything to suggest anything of the sort yet. Foden is levels and levels above him.

 

[Gabriel]

Absolutely baffled why there’s so much Grealish to City vibes around here (outside of his clear love for shouting out city players).

There’s no need to sell, there’s no need to buy, and the fee would be silly.

Let him develop there for another couple years anyway.

Any fee would likely be in line with what we have paid before, especially now that Fernandinho‘s staying means we can waive the Luiz clause. He’s not going to develop any further at the Villa, so if the club identify him as good value, it makes sense.

 

[Coatigan]

A fair few advocating Sterling or Jesus leave to free up space for Graelish, and also be used in swap deals for Kane.


The club wouldn't push these players out. Certainly not to then spend 75m on Jack Graelish. IF and big if, they wanted to leave and an offer was acceptable, maybe Graelish would be a suitable squad replacement, if a price.could be agreed. But don't see it happening the other way round, club signing graelish then looking to maje room for him, not with the players we have and have worked hard to have.


The swap deals, Jesus to spurs, really, because a few don't rate him? Sterling plus hefty cash for Kane? Sterling, who in the last 3 seasons has outscored Kane on every level in 2 of those. The only one he hasnt is this season which has been a poor one, without a striker to play off. Also younger than Kane, an english international, mulriple medal winner, in CL and at a top club etc. Their value isnat the very least comparable, to suggest he goes to spurs plus a lot of cash blows my mind.

 

[Phil1]

Absolutely baffled why there’s so much Grealish to City vibes around here (outside of his clear love for shouting out city players).

There’s no need to sell, there’s no need to buy, and the fee would be silly.

Let him develop there for another couple years anyway.

If Ric says he's heard that it's a goer then with all due respect to your villa supporting mate I'd put more credence on Bluemoons boss man's source than yours.
It's not a forgone conclusion by any stretch as every single transfer has many moving parts they can change in an instant. That said, I've no reason to believe this one isn't being worked on as a priority given everything I've seen and heard recently.