Coronavirus (2021) thread

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johnnymarrsbarres said:
I know what you mean. This is exactly how I feel. Right now it’s either another lockdown in GM is imminent, or it’s we’re all fine and June 21 is happening as planned.

I don’t know what to think anymore - and even on this thread the excellently researched and presented numbers from Healdplace even seem to contradict themselves and confuse me.

And I class myself as a fairly intelligent person on the whole.
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The reporting on the whole has been a disgrace. Sensationalism, mixed messages, lots of doom and gloom. If you watch the BBC or that dreadful GMTV, especially doctor killjoy Hilary, they seem to thrive on any bad news and spout caution all the time. They are always wanting more lockdowns too.

I'm sorry but we've had 14 months of being prisoners. We've been denied a normal life, played by the rules, had two jabs and that's me done now. Going to the game on Sunday, having a meal out and meeting mates inside a pub for a drink made me realise how much I've missed normality. Enough is enough, we've done all we can, I didn't vote to live under a totalitarian state we should now have choice.
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
I stopped listening to and reading the News months ago. Got absolutely sick to death of their bollocks.

Now, I just read the data and comments on here from the likes of Healdplace and roubix, and just check the Gov website every now and again (I actually signed up to have weekly Gov Covid update emails sent to my work email address).

Our News is a joke, needs a proper freshening up and revamp.
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Not popular but i just stick to BBC and on here.

social media/twitter etc is just too much confusion and mish mash
 
BLUEMATT23 said:
It will always carry on in some form, I've come to the conclusion that we won't get our old lives back. This is the new norm, some of these scientists, SAGE and some goverment ministers are seeing this as their moment in the spotlight and don't want to relinquish it. They are enjoying the power trip and ordering people what to do.
June 21st freedom, forget it. I fully expect a north west lockdown of some sort by the Autumn.
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what from before the pandemic do you not see us getting back ?
 
BlueHammer85 said:
what from before the pandemic do you not see us getting back ?
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Holidays, Sports events, hospitality. I don't honestly think that this will ever be back to "normal".
You may be able to go / attend to the above but I think the numbers will be limited etc.
 
RobMCFC said:
There's something not right when people who are double-vaccinated are being told not to go to A or leave B.

You can go to a pub and breathe over everybody but you can't go to Bolton, Bury or Bedford?

Gradual easing up on restrictions is the right policy, but they should have waited on a lot of fronts until everybody has been offered a first jab. Maybe it's the lack of measured reporting mentioned above, but you get the feeling that restrictions are coming in some aspects of life, yet others are allowed to carry on and there doesn't seem to be a consistent approach across the board.

You want to go inside with hundreds of other people? No problem, carry on.
You want to go outside somewhere, no you can't do that because we think you might be in danger.
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Just 1 point, I don't think its to do with "we think you might be in danger". its everything to do with "you may catch the virus and spread it out of the area".

If we can contain the hotspots and blitz out vaccines we can smother them before it spreads. or at least thats the theroy. in practice it will buy us time to get the vaccines rolled out fully.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Not popular but i just stick to BBC and on here.

social media/twitter etc is just too much confusion and mish mash
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Absolutely true mate, for every expert opinion there's another expert opinion. And all of those experts seem to be on social media, the diarrhea spouting waste pipes of the modern era.
 
BLUEMATT23 said:
Holidays, Sports events, hospitality. I don't honestly think that this will ever be back to "normal".
You may be able to go / attend to the above but I think the numbers will be limited etc.
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Spanish flu lasted 3 years. there is no reason to think this will last much longer, we have locked down which did slow it down, and there are a lot more people so it may take a bit longer but once everyone has been vaccinated or has had it this will fizzle out.

internal to the UK, I can see sporting events and full gigs back, mid to end of this year/early next year at the very latest.

Holidays abroad are a little more complex with the fact we cant control what goes on outside this country.
 
Dunno why i bothered clicking on this thread tbh. Was in a great mood, and in here reads like we're back at square one. Had a great weekend. Was jabbed on Thursday, Friday out in bar with our neighbours, saw my niece and nephew in person for the first time in a year on Saturday morning, had my parents round for tea in the evening actually indoors for the first time in a year... saw City in person on Sunday. Was on cloud nine yesterday! Immense weekend. Click in here and the world is ending apparently. I could've sworn what's actually happening is the bumpy road out of this many predicted cos it was always going to be like that, but that broadly things are going quite well and we're actually doing very fucking well.
 
Marvin said:
What's bleak is dismissing someone because of their grammar. Grammar helps people communicate but what is more important are their thoughts. Perhaps it was a quick throw-away comment but the person on the other end might read that and be hurt by it, and they might not want to comment next time for fear that it would be grammar-checked.
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Correct and I apologise completely for the barb. I sensed you were painting a picture that was unnecessarily doom laden. But that’s your prerogative, this is a forum. I hope the vaccine continues to prevent illness, death and hospitalisations, which, really, are the only metrics that should concern us. The ‘numbers’ are incredibly low and have been for a few weeks now. Not sure how effective it is, asking people not to visit Bolton etc, we’ve seen the tier system previously and it was hopeless. The Indian variant is in our midst. But the vaccine is too. And the vaccine’s winning. Just. Let’s keep it that way.
 
twosips said:
Dunno why i bothered clicking on this thread tbh. Was in a great mood, and in here reads like we're back at square one. Had a great weekend. Was jabbed on Thursday, Friday out in bar with our neighbours, saw my niece and nephew in person for the first time in a year on Saturday morning, had my parents round for tea in the evening actually indoors for the first time in a year... saw City in person on Sunday. Was on cloud nine yesterday! Immense weekend. Click in here and the world is ending apparently. I could've sworn what's actually happening is the bumpy road out of this many predicted cos it was always going to be like, but that broadly things are going quite well and we're actually doing very fucking well.
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Blame the news, politicians and SAGE for feeding us their daily barrage of doom and gloom.
The whole point of the vaccination programme was to get the country running again , so if you have had your two jabs why should you still be having to isolate?
 
BLUEMATT23 said:
Blame the news, politicians and SAGE for feeding us their daily barrage of doom and gloom.
The whole point of the vaccination programme was to get the country running again , so if you have had your two jabs why should you still be having to isolate?
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I don't know anyone with two jabs isolating tbh. Who is?
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Not popular but i just stick to BBC and on here.

social media/twitter etc is just too much confusion and mish mash
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It was the BBC I used to watch, but they’ve been as shit during this pandemic as any gutter press outlet would be.
 
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BLUEMATT23 said:
Holidays, Sports events, hospitality. I don't honestly think that this will ever be back to "normal".
You may be able to go / attend to the above but I think the numbers will be limited etc.
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BLUEMATT23 said:
This is apparently going to be a new ruling from the government, you couldn't make it up
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Bollocks. Where have you seen that? Post a link, I think you have made it up
 
BLUEMATT23 said:
Blame the news, politicians and SAGE for feeding us their daily barrage of doom and gloom.
The whole point of the vaccination programme was to get the country running again , so if you have had your two jabs why should you still be having to isolate?
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Does someone who’s done you over for money, or your missus cheated on you with, work for SAGE? Why are you always digging them out?

The work they will have put into this pandemic will be huge, and we have uninformed people like you giving them shit all the time, saying they’re on a fucking power trip.
 
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BLUEMATT23 said:
This is apparently going to be a new ruling from the government, you couldn't make it up
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I have literally not seen this anywhere. Let's moan if it actually happens. Everything right now is fine. Go and enjoy your day and get offline. Best advice I could give to anyone right now. Cinemas are open, shops, pubs, restaurants etc. Plenty of real world distractions.
 
Variants get painted as the bad guys in all this. And - whilst I am way more understanding of any virus than I was a year ago I am not remotely an expert in them - but I think the comparison with the 1918/19 Flu pandemic is different in many ways.

For a start no air travel meant the Indian variant would have taken months not hours to travel cross continents.

Also flu is not the same as a Covid variant as humans have some degree of resistance to flu.

Equally there were no vaccines then so it ran riot and burned out faster by that herd immunity I assume,

Plus pioneers of where we are now - such as the chief medc in Manchester at the time - used the concept of social distancing and lockdown (which in truth is centuries old from when medicine was plants an poultices) to mitigate its impact on the city and saved many lives. And that hit younger people more than Covid,

So I do not think you can easily compare.

I do not know the science enough to know the ultimate end game of the variants but will one ever become globally dominant and will humans simply develop increasing immunity to that via catching it or vaccination? Or will something else potentially worse for us always be waiting to win the genetic lottery and create the Washington variant that turns everybody orange?

The good news is that science is on this big time and has rapidly got to where we are much faster than anyone imagined I think. So I suspect we will get there into some kind of live and let live balance that suits us and the virus as its aim is not to kill us and dominate the pkanet but to infest and thrive. Which it cannot do if it kills all its hosts. That in the end might be where a balance point emerges. And all these variants may just be hastening that day,

Pure speculation possibly quite mistaken and I am sure those who are more understanding of the science will explain why.
 
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